Where - PC World?
If they are anything like my local PC World, you'll be waiting a long time (and paying over the odds..)
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AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***
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Where - PC World?
If they are anything like my local PC World, you'll be waiting a long time (and paying over the odds..)
The two best ways to bench cpu impact on games is pick games that are coded badly that choke because of clear ram/cpu bottlenecks, that would probably highlight the best impact of clock speeds and single thread performance, then games like assasins creed which is a weird game at the other extreme where it seems to soak up whatever cores and threads are thrown at it with constant 90-100% cpu utilisation on all cores. So you testing both scenarios at the extreme. I am also not a fan of testing with vsync disabled, the vast majority of people game at capped 30 or 60fps. I am ok with an additional uncapped test, but it shouldnt be the only test.
I am not a fan of dropping resolution to 720p to try and keep the gpu idle, that kind of benching is not realistic, part of the tests also include the chipset and the speed of data transfer between gpu and cpu, so its important to be testing real world scenarios. Although a few people may play at 720p windowed tho as there is advantages to gaming windowed.
The review industry simply remains flawed all benching the same subset of games as each other, and having flaws in their testing (often deliberate flaws to promote the product they testing as after all they essentially a marketer with their free samples) but it is what it is.
Hoping the chap from Bolton will do his usual testing. Has appeared a week or so after release previously.
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Actually that is what companies do, make a profit. Otherwise everyone is unemployed as it goes bust. I know what you are saying though. Reputations stick and a good rep for service quality and straight dealing is worth its weight in gold.
I agree and disagree.
I understand normalisation is to try and show raw cpu performance only.
However the platforms are a package, the IMC, the chipset, etc. is all a package working together.
So e.g. z370 vs x370 in terms of memory speed, the x370 package supported a higher stock ram speed, but the z370 typically could handle faster ram speeds. In terms of latency timings, these were often disregarded and need higher attention on testing as well given memory latency is more important than memory bandwidth for gaming.
So the best scenario for when reviewing a platform in my opinion is one test in supported configurations which should be advantage to AMD given they support higher ram speeds over intel, then another test in some kind of overclocked configuration, and a third test can perhaps be the one thats normalised.
Ultimately these reviews need to be much more thorough with much more things been tested, but they all only care about rushing out the door for embargo date. A common theme in the reviews is "we ran out of time". There is no time limit, do it properly and publish when its done.
Then after the basic product review is done, a follow up should be done analysing things like the affect of memory timings on games. The best information I am getting now is from hobbyists on reddit, steam etc. rather than professional reviewers, the latter need to up their game. They also need to start testing more mainstream/budget components, even if it means they have to buy the stuff. Their lack of knowledge on lower end is astounding e.g. when they think b450 cannot overclock (they assume is locked like budget intel chipsets) and they all only come with 2 dimm slots.
The issue the hobbyists have is they treated with less respect and not treated as credible, e.g. when I posted my feedback on ram timings I was treated as if my results were not real.
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I agree while OCUK RMA is renowned, other sites like rainforest are equally as easy to RMA with now.
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But that’s the point of all companies, they have to and are entitled to make a profit. Excessive profit I agree with you 100% does not in-deer any loyalty from me.
its because they chasing hits, to only test one situation is lazyness. 6 games is an extremely small sample, and to boot only one resolution.
Some content creators have e.g. said by getting out first you can get like 10x the viewers, and if you publish one week behind everyone else its a massive drop off. So they prefer to rush stuff out, rather than be more detailed and get less eyeballs. Its a sad state of affairs.
Source?
rainforest is too easy I wont be buying a cpu or motherboard from them again, because boards are not factory sealed, there is no way to know if your supposedly new board is a previous return and return rates for motherboards are high. Cpu's I expect are not that low either as people want to win the silicon lottery so if they get a loser there will be a temptation to return, some people on reddit admitted they routinely buy 3-5 cpus at once, test all of them and send the worst back to retailer.
When I returned my PSU to OCUK, there was a delay for RMA processing, meaning they actually test whats been returned. Although I dont know if they resell opened stuff as new. My return was still shrink wrapped.
Soldato
Where in that link does it say cpu NDA lifts today?
Yeah I got it... I just hate arrogance, and this forum seems to be quite more argument-driven than others. Anyway, happy waiting everyone! .D
Lower performance is relative. You'd get higher latency - but also higher bandwidth. Anyone who needs the most bandwidth for whatever reason, now can go for 4400+ and be happy (happier)
let's not fall on our swords just yet
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sorry bud nda for zen2 and navi is 2pm uk time sunday NOT today
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I'll be waiting for someone to test RAM timings etc. Also, actual gameplay in actually intensive scenarios.
My motherboard arrived pre-opened but then how can I expect the retailer to update the BIOS otherwise? Agreed about buying motherboards from the rainforest though. One way to avoid getting a returned CPU is to buy on day one.
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Have you been to the comments section on WCCFTECH and VideoCardz? Lol this place is like the garden of Eden.
From the wall, right?