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AMD Zen 3 (Ryzen 4000) already in the works

I was set on a new build, had it set up in Part Picker, but I've just been reading up on this new 4K8KW10's law with respect to CPUs and have decided to hold off on it. The CPU I wanted was not a doubling of my lappy part.
 
Hi stupid question time **

will ryzen 4000 series have more than 16 cores? if so whats the rumour mill saying? what's the likely ipc increase - Won't be upgrading for a year or two but curious.
 
faceman123 said:
Hi stupid question time **

will ryzen 4000 series have more than 16 cores? if so whats the rumour mill saying? what's the likely ipc increase - Won't be upgrading for a year or two but curious.
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I dont think so, 16c will likely be the maximum again but with increased IPC and increased clock speed
 
faceman123 said:
Hi stupid question time **

will ryzen 4000 series have more than 16 cores? if so whats the rumour mill saying? what's the likely ipc increase - Won't be upgrading for a year or two but curious.
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Very unlikely imo. It's going to be the same as Ryzen 1000 to 2000 in that it'll offer same core counts but higher ipc and small bump in clocks. The rumour is 10% higher ipc which is pretty large for a release on a refined node.
 
Boot_Loop said:
Very unlikely imo. It's going to be the same as Ryzen 1000 to 2000 in that it'll offer same core counts but higher ipc and small bump in clocks. The rumour is 10% higher ipc which is pretty large for a release on a refined node.
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I don't think that the core count will remain the same. Very likely that the top part will still be 16-core/32-thread (it actually really doesn't need at this time to go any higher)
but Ryzen 5 must be 8-core, Ryzen 7 must be 12-core and so on.
 
faceman123 said:
Hi stupid question time **

will ryzen 4000 series have more than 16 cores? if so whats the rumour mill saying? what's the likely ipc increase - Won't be upgrading for a year or two but curious.
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It really depends on the way the implement the removal of the dual CCX design and if that saves any space other than the increased density on offer with the 7nm+. They might end up with 10c chiplets, would be weird but still possible.

IPC should increase due to the design change, and obviously memory latency reduction will effect this as well
 
Praz94 said:
I dont think so, 16c will likely be the maximum again but with increased IPC and increased clock speed
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Journey said:
It really depends on the way the implement the removal of the dual CCX design and if that saves any space other than the increased density on offer with the 7nm+. They might end up with 10c chiplets, would be weird but still possible.

IPC should increase due to the design change, and obviously memory latency reduction will effect this as well
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4K8KW10 said:
I don't think that the core count will remain the same. Very likely that the top part will still be 16-core/32-thread (it actually really doesn't need at this time to go any higher)
but Ryzen 5 must be 8-core, Ryzen 7 must be 12-core and so on.
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Boot_Loop said:
Very unlikely imo. It's going to be the same as Ryzen 1000 to 2000 in that it'll offer same core counts but higher ipc and small bump in clocks. The rumour is 10% higher ipc which is pretty large for a release on a refined node.
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Thanks hopefully an 18 core :p if not a 16 core with 10% clock increase in two years :)
 
Boot_Loop said:
Very unlikely imo. It's going to be the same as Ryzen 1000 to 2000 in that it'll offer same core counts but higher ipc and small bump in clocks. The rumour is 10% higher ipc which is pretty large for a release on a refined node.
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What about all the talk from an AMD employee that it was a "new architecture" and that we should expect "all the performance gains" that come with a new arch?

We haven't forgotten that claim have we?
 
faceman123 said:
Thanks hopefully an 18 core :p if not a 16 core with 10% clock increase in two years :)
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I dont think they'll even be targeting higher cores for mainstream at the moment as its quite a pointless endeavour as even the current 3950x and 3900x are overkill fr 99% of tasks.

AMD will benefit a lot more by focusing their energy on increasing clock speeds and IPC (which comes pretty naturally anyway).

E.g. could you imagine 12c and 16c parts hitting 5ghz clock speeds with 10-15% increase in IPC as well? Simply monstrous
 
Praz94 said:
I dont think they'll even be targeting higher cores for mainstream at the moment as its quite a pointless endeavour as even the current 3950x and 3900x are overkill fr 99% of tasks.

AMD will benefit a lot more by focusing their energy on increasing clock speeds and IPC (which comes pretty naturally anyway).

E.g. could you imagine 12c and 16c parts hitting 5ghz clock speeds with 10-15% increase in IPC as well? Simply monstrous
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Ah man yeah so hoping the motherboard investment I just made was worth it ( probably not )
 
Praz94 said:
I dont think they'll even be targeting higher cores for mainstream at the moment as its quite a pointless endeavour as even the current 3950x and 3900x are overkill fr 99% of tasks.

AMD will benefit a lot more by focusing their energy on increasing clock speeds and IPC (which comes pretty naturally anyway).

E.g. could you imagine 12c and 16c parts hitting 5ghz clock speeds with 10-15% increase in IPC as well? Simply monstrous
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It's not about targeting this end of the market though, the current design exists due to how they needed to make the server side of the business function, in other words where the profit is. Winning the hearts and minds of desktop retail consumers is a bonus.

The chiplet design has been used successfully across the whole product stack, from EPYC, all the way down to the R5 3500, so if the new chiplet design has 10c per chip, then you can expect a 20c desktop retail part to appear sooner or later. It wouldn't be the target, but it would be possible due to the way the design work has been done.
 
faceman123 said:
Hi stupid question time **

will ryzen 4000 series have more than 16 cores? if so whats the rumour mill saying? what's the likely ipc increase - Won't be upgrading for a year or two but curious.
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doesnt look like it. AMD said they will increase core counts over time, but it's not likely until the new AM5 platform arrives in 2021, so 2020's Ryzen 4000 will retain it's 16 core max.
 
Praz94 said:
I dont think they'll even be targeting higher cores for mainstream at the moment as its quite a pointless endeavour as even the current 3950x and 3900x are overkill fr 99% of tasks.

AMD will benefit a lot more by focusing their energy on increasing clock speeds and IPC (which comes pretty naturally anyway).

E.g. could you imagine 12c and 16c parts hitting 5ghz clock speeds with 10-15% increase in IPC as well? Simply monstrous
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The problem with focusing on clock speeds is that even if you manage to get great clocks on a given node, you can't stay on it forever (no matter what Intel thinks) and there's never a guarantee that the next node will be anywhere near as good. For this reason, plus power/heat advantages, IPC is far more important.
 
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