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*** AMD "Zen 4" thread (inc AM5/APU discussion) ***

Its the platform as a whole why people won't want to move - cost for new CPU/RAM/Board is just off-putting.

It only says desktop so they will prob just shift the allocation to server where they make more money anyways.

i was tempted, but why the hell would i buy a motherboard at £500+ they are having a laugh with these prices and i hope it bites them in the ass

Sure there are lower "tier" versions. But if i was changing i would want the same "tier" as i bought last generation, Just not willing to spend an extra £150-£200 for it.
 
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i was tempted, but why the hell would i buy a motherboard at £500+ they are having a laugh with these prices and i hope it bites them in the ass

Sure there are lower "tier" versions. But if i was changing i would want the same "tier" as i bought last generation, Just not willing to spend an extra £150-£200 for it.
Why do you want an X670 board? You get the same features on B650 /B650E boards.
 
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Are these (7700k) regularly running at 95 degrees or have I misread a review?
No, the 7700X are cool, they are running at just 90c. The 7950x is the one at 95c.

In all seriousness, all zen 4 run lava hot. You need to tune and tinker to operate them properly. I mean they increased power consumption by more than 50% on some models to be able to compete with intel. Thats absurd
 
Doesn't get that hot in games and you can simply go into bios and set thermal limit to 85c and it will actually perform slightly better than stock

That's all that you need to change
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No need to even test for stability

What would be interesting is to have both platforms on water cooled so measure how much the liquid is heating up

Because jay2cents mentioned the cooler isn't really getting saturated with heat as you'd expect
 
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I wonder if there will be DDR5 price drops following the release of Raptor Lake.

We know Intel wants to boost sales of DDR5 in 2022, especially as Meteor Lake will be DDR5 only.

Anyone here going to buy a Raptor CPU?

Part of the problem, is that even the lowest bandwidth 4800 MT/s 16GB modules are relatively expensive. Nor is the stock good for DDR5.
 
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Doesn't get that hot in games and you can simply go into bios and set thermal limit to 85c and it will actually perform slightly better than stock

That's all that you need to change
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No need to even test for stability

What would be interesting is to have both platforms on water cooled so measure how much the liquid is heating up

Because jay2cents mentioned the cooler isn't really getting saturated with heat as you'd expect

According to that if you limit the CPU to 75c you lose 0.003% performance.

You know something, the hotter you run the silicon the more resistance it has, the more resistance it has the more volts you need to maintain stability, so why bother? you're just using more power for higher thermals at the same performance.

Its the science behind sub zero cooling. at absolute zero (-273c) the silicon has zero resistance.
 
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No, the 7700X are cool, they are running at just 90c. The 7950x is the one at 95c.

In all seriousness, all zen 4 run lava hot. You need to tune and tinker to operate them properly. I mean they increased power consumption by more than 50% on some models to be able to compete with intel. Thats absurd
Your kidding right? Considering how hot and how much power draw the last 4 generations of intel chips did that were no better in performance
 
I wonder if there will be DDR5 price drops following the release of Raptor Lake.

We know Intel wants to boost sales of DDR5 in 2022, especially as Meteor Lake will be DDR5 only.

Anyone here going to buy a Raptor CPU?

Part of the problem, is that even the lowest bandwidth 4800 MT/s 16GB modules are relatively expensive. Nor is the stock good for DDR5.

Probably not. Got the whole 'dead platform' thing I can't get past even though I wouldn't want to change CPU for like 4+yrs anyway.
 
I wonder if there will be DDR5 price drops following the release of Raptor Lake.

We know Intel wants to boost sales of DDR5 in 2022, especially as Meteor Lake will be DDR5 only.

Anyone here going to buy a Raptor CPU?

Part of the problem, is that even the lowest bandwidth 4800 MT/s 16GB modules are relatively expensive. Nor is the stock good for DDR5.

Wouldn't wanna be on a dead platform with zen5 and 3d options still to come on am5 hopefully in time the board and ddr5 prices will drop
 
Are these (7700k) regularly running at 95 degrees or have I misread a review?
Well here was my 7700X at 5550Mhz all core in cheap MSI AIO.Always remember Intel at 100°C is always cooler than AMD at 95°C,Science proven fact by the nutty nutbars that are full of nuts,they will say anything to fit there agenda

The 7700x did hit a crazy hot 83°C after 30 minute Cinebench.
 
Is the 7900x better than the 7950x in gaming alone? I’m considering this instead of Intel. Also what the best (most stable) memory to get?
 
No, the 7700X are cool, they are running at just 90c. The 7950x is the one at 95c.

In all seriousness, all zen 4 run lava hot. You need to tune and tinker to operate them properly. I mean they increased power consumption by more than 50% on some models to be able to compete with intel. Thats absurd

You must be really happy with the 13900k graph above then. That power consumption right…
 
Demand drops like a rock, and instead of lowering prices they lowered the production. Amd lol

Lowering prices will be bad for a premium company. :D

They'll probably stop production for 5xxx series to force people to the new platform... or to the competition.
 
Do you chaps think it could be a mistake to cheap out on 2x16GB 5600 DDR5? Then overclock to 6000 MT/s or higher?

Judging from what 8Pack was saying in the memory subforum I wouldn't worry about that at all.

Example:
 
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