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*** AMD "Zen 4" thread (inc AM5/APU discussion) ***

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
But again you are wasting £320 on a CPU you don't really want. Then what happens if AMD decides to drop the price of the Ryzen 5 7600X a lot to make room for the Ryzen 7 7800X? There is a reason why the eight core is called the Ryzen 7 7700X and not the Ryzen 7 7800X.

The fact is the Ryzen 5 7600X isn't selling well at all - it's the lowest selling model of all 4 Zen4 CPUs.By the time you spend £400+ on the motherboard and RAM,trying to save £100 on the CPU won't really make much sense. The reason the Core i5 13600KF makes sense is because the platform costs are much cheaper.
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Yes, but I cannot get over the whole being trapped on an end of life socket there is simply no future for it. So to me it is a worse investment as I would have to sell it all anyway when I want to upgrade and in all honesty, I'm not sure what the market is like for old PC parts.

The sensible choice is for me to wait until January but then if they announce the 3D is going to be out in quarter two for example, then it's just even more waiting by which time something else will be out soon and The advice will again be oh just wait a few more months, I call this the perpetual wait cycle. Perhaps actually this is just evidence pointing to the fact I really cannot be bothered. I don't know.

Then again I could just accept that it's throwing money away. Just like modifying my car was and therefore value doesn't even come into it.
 
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If you need to cheap out on something, might as well be the RAM. if you've got a 4 slot board (nearly all AM5 boards), can always add more later (if same type), or even replace it and sell.

There's a few detractors complaining about RAM prices, but a 2x8 DDR5 kit at 5200 MT/s is still only £80.
 
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Noxia said:
Yes, but I cannot get over the whole being trapped on an end of life socket there is simply no future for it. So to me it is a worse investment as I would have to sell it all anyway when I want to upgrade and in all honesty, I'm not sure what the market is like for old PC parts.

The sensible choice is for me to wait until January but then if they announce the 3D is going to be out in quarter two for example, then it's just even more waiting by which time something else will be out soon and The advice will again be oh just wait a few more months, I call this the perpetual wait cycle. Perhaps actually this is just evidence pointing to the fact I really cannot be bothered. I don't know.
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A lot of people don't upgrade on the same socket. They just get the fastest CPU at the time and upgrade the whole shebang down the line. The AM4 upgrade thing worked,because you could get a sub £200 CPU,£100 motherboard and if in three years time you needed a big upgrade you could plonk in a high end £300 to £400 CPU. The problem is AM5 fails on the first two parts.

So you might as well think,if you are spending £400~£500 on a motherboard and RAM,an extra £100 on the CPU(Ryzen 7 7700X) will make more sense(because £700 vs £800 is not a huge difference). Even though I think the Ryzen 7 7700X is overpriced,the reality being an 8 core,there will be stronger secondhand demand for it for quite a while IMHO. Plus if you don't upgrade,then it should be a solid CPU for years. The Ryzen 5 7600X will probably have less secondhand demand IMHO,because is seems most are just getting a Ryzen 7 7700X over it. The Core i5 13600KF makes sense as a six core because of the fact the platform costs are better(and it seems more flexible as a CPU because of the Skylake meme cores than a Ryzen 5 7600X and should be relevant for longer).
 
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I would opt for a 7700X if you can afford it and want to keep it for a long time (which is what I intent to do).

It's more recommendable at £400 or less.
 
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g67575 said:
If you need to cheap out on something, might as well be the RAM. if you've got a 4 slot board (nearly all AM5 boards), can always add more later (if same type), or even replace it and sell.
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Yes I have always stuck to midrange on motherboards, The fact that mid-range now costs 200 plus is neither here nor there I guess.

True about RAM. In the RAM forum someone asked about Ryzen and eight pack said

"No advantages to go fast at all... 4400mhz even equals 6000mhz well less than 1% difference..."
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Steve from Hardware Unboxed said the Ryzen 5 7600X should be discounted from $300 closer to $200(the same benchmarks people are using here to justify its price):
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Steve wouldn't know a valid test if it bite him in the ass. If the 7600x is too expensive then so is the 13600. No one is really justifying the price of the 7600x but it is the same release price as the 5600x chip was 2 years ago. The 5600x is still going for £200 at the moment.
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
There are deals for 6000MHZ kits for under £200. Just check on HUKD when they come up.
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That's kind of what I'm getting at though. Is that speed even needed when a professional who tests it is literally just said you may as well get the slow RAM.

Post in thread 'Where's the sweet spot for Ryzen 7?' https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/wheres-the-sweet-spot-for-ryzen-7.18960869/post-35950674


In that case, perhaps 16 gig of 4800 is fine. That is like 85 quid for a Kingston set
 
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Noxia said:
That's kind of what I'm getting at though. Is that speed even needed when a professional who tests it is literally just said you may as well get the slow RAM.

Post in thread 'Where's the sweet spot for Ryzen 7?' https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/wheres-the-sweet-spot-for-ryzen-7.18960869/post-35950674
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Depends if he is actually gaming,or just running benchmarks. There are plenty of tests showing how it affects gaming performance:
www.guru3d.com

DDR5 Ryzen 7 7700 DDR5 memory scaling review

You've likely just read our Ryzen 7000 reviews. and will have noticed that AMD calls DDR5 6000MHz /30CL a sweet spot. It, however might not be a sweet spot for your wallet, ergo we take a look at how... Performance - Gaming RTX 3090 - Far Cry New Dawn
www.guru3d.com www.guru3d.com

But then again,if there is so little price difference it's not really any point.
 
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If on a budget, get 2x8GB. I've been using this amount for years now, and never had a problem. Falling back on pagefile is totally fine in rare situations where all physical RAM is being utilized.
 
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CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
www.guru3d.com

DDR5 Ryzen 7 7700 DDR5 memory scaling review

You've likely just read our Ryzen 7000 reviews. and will have noticed that AMD calls DDR5 6000MHz /30CL a sweet spot. It, however might not be a sweet spot for your wallet, ergo we take a look at how... Performance - Gaming RTX 3090 - Far Cry New Dawn
www.guru3d.com www.guru3d.com
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Good find. It looks like DDR5 clocked at 5600 MT/s would be fine.

16GB of DDR5 (5200 MT/s) for £80 is still cheaper than the 16GB of DDR4 I bought with my 2nd hand Comet Lake CPU.

I suppose if you wanted to be picky, could try to snag some cheap Hynix M-die 8GB modules and overclock them a lot.
 
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g67575 said:
Good find. It looks like DDR5 clocked at 5600 MT/s would be fine.

16GB of DDR5 (5200 MT/s) for £80 is still cheaper than the 16GB of DDR4 I bought with my 2nd hand Comet Lake CPU.

I suppose if you wanted to be picky, could try to snag some cheap Hynix M-die 8GB modules and overclock them a lot.
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6000MHZ 32GB kits can be had for well under £200,but the deals don't last for long.
 
It doesn't tell you which brand though etc. I'd be a bit dubious as to their testing as well. As in I wouldn't buy it and it's like a test it within the return.
 
True. It's an option I'd not considered. Thanks. Got some old games I could sell to them for a voucher as well which would pay for one stick
 
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Noxia said:
True. It's an option I'd not considered. Thanks. Got some old games I could sell to them for a voucher as well which would pay for one stick
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Sounds like a plan.

When you buy the 2 sticks, check what the model number on them is, to make sure they are 6000 MT/s sticks.
 
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I suppose you could send them a message via their contact us form, to ask how many modules they have in stock, and if they can send you the same type.
 
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