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*** AMD "Zen 4" thread (inc AM5/APU discussion) ***
Caporegime
It does for people running some of the most common video editing and image editing suites out there:
OcUK Intel Raptor Lake review thread
Because you can use 8000 ddr5 ram on the Intel, and you can't on AMD? With 3D memory of CPUs and Direct Storage on GPUs, next year is the year RAM goes to die doesn't have any affect on gaming anymore
forums.overclockers.co.uk
Lots of people run those applications - the Core i5 13600KF is matching a Ryzen 7 7700X/Ryzen 9 5900X in them or beating them. The stunning silence that a cheaper Intel CPU matches or even can even beat the Ryzen 7700X.
Even with gaming benchmarks,there are plenty which don't even show the Ryzen 5 7600X ahead(including DF and Gamersnexus):
Raptor Lake Leaks + Intel 4 developments
Never looked at these KS chips, I vaguely remember reading review that they get extremely hot, but what has the performance been like in previous generations, is it worth it? Intel say the 13900KS will do 6ghz "out of the box". I'm not sure how previous generation KS's ran tbh speed and heat wise.
forums.overclockers.co.uk
The flip-flopping is weird. When Ryzen had more threads/cores than Intel CPUs(which were better at gaming) at the same price,the same types here said productivity and multi-tasking was more important than gaming. It's why I went for Ryzen myself. Now suddenly productivity isn't important? Transcoding videos for an HTPC? Twitch streaming,etc?
Almost all the reviewers don't agree with your assessments - they say the Ryzen 5 7600X is overpriced. Even comments on R/AMD say the same:
Reddit - Dive into anything
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Reddit - Dive into anything
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Most of the comments think the Ryzen 5 7600X needs a price cut,and the Core i5 13600K is a better CPU. That is a subreddit with 1.5 million people who are mostly AMD fans. It's AMD fan central on the internet.It's the same sentiment with all of my mates,most of them who are on AMD systems. The lower end Zen4 CPUs are overpriced.
This is one of the few places who seems to think it isn't. You should be happy AMD is getting beaten,because they will be forced to eventually reduce pricing. If not defend away - this is getting like a bunch of reverse Dave2150's!
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Soldato
Yeah the high end Intel just ain't worth it because the 7950x still seems like the better chip on balance but lower to mid end AMD have been dominated for a more balanced chip with the 13600k.
Now if you do want pure gaming performance and want to to buy within the latest gen then the 7600x is the chip for that as it does at end of day on average beat out thr 13600k and is cheaper so if its an option of the two and purely gaming then AMD is fine.
But most people I can see why a 13600k is better options. However add to that it end of life then there is a secondary consideration and the possibility of an 8600x next generation being plug and play at possibly a lower value (especially if the £ recovers in a few years) could be tempting but you are gambling.
Personally if I was buying now I'd probably suck up the loss in stuff outside of gaming (because the performance is still decent compared to previous generations from either company) and take my chances on an upgrade path over the next couple of generations.
Edit: yes the 7600x and 7700x are overpriced even before the £ crashing and both should be about £50 less than they are.
Now if you do want pure gaming performance and want to to buy within the latest gen then the 7600x is the chip for that as it does at end of day on average beat out thr 13600k and is cheaper so if its an option of the two and purely gaming then AMD is fine.
But most people I can see why a 13600k is better options. However add to that it end of life then there is a secondary consideration and the possibility of an 8600x next generation being plug and play at possibly a lower value (especially if the £ recovers in a few years) could be tempting but you are gambling.
Personally if I was buying now I'd probably suck up the loss in stuff outside of gaming (because the performance is still decent compared to previous generations from either company) and take my chances on an upgrade path over the next couple of generations.
Edit: yes the 7600x and 7700x are overpriced even before the £ crashing and both should be about £50 less than they are.
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Caporegime
AMD barely released these CPUs a few weeks ago,and the bottom two just walk into the Raptor Lake Core i5. All the specifications were leaked ages ago. Literally all the reviews worldwide are dunking on the Ryzen 5 7600X. R/AMD is dunking on it even. Intel must be thinking how da fuq did we get a win here? We even made the Core i5 cost more too?
OcUK forums:
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using reddit as an example is the work of a desperate person.AMD barely released these CPUs a few weeks ago,and the bottom two just walk into the Raptor Lake Core i5. All the specifications were leaked ages ago. Literally all the reviews worldwide are dunking on the Ryzen 5 7600X. R/AMD is dunking on it
Caporegime
I'm so bored by this point
Well I had more tech excitement,than I had in weeks with the launch yesterday!!
I nearly forgot to add the Ryzen 5 7600X reviews to the Zen4 thread because it was so unexciting and the RTX4090 was less exciting than the controversial rebadged RTX4060..sorry RTX4080 12GB.
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Not being antagonistic but do we actually know this outside of a rumour that started on some site?
Things like this can get picked up and repeated until people think it's true.
Caporegime
It was sales data from one of the big German shops(IIRC).The Ryzen 5 7600X is not selling well at all.
Edit!!
Here it is:
AMD Ryzen 7000 is off to a slow start, Zen 4 sales are not good
We've heard from multiple sources that sales for Zen 4 processors are weaker than expected, even factoring in current market conditions, so let's talk about that and...
www.techspot.com
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Absolutely this I'm actually exhausting myself. Just looking at stuff all the time.I'm so bored by this point
I think partly because of my ADHD hyper focusing I am losing entire evenings to looking at opinions benchmarks all that rubbish.
Then I come to the same 4 conclusions every night:
I'm only probably going to be gaming on this. It's not really worth it.
**** it. I'm just going to get AM5 take the early adoption tax and upgrade to the 3D chip.
Right. I'm going to try Intel this time. It doesn't matter if it's a dead platform it will last me years.
I'm going to be sensible and get a 5800 x 3D and I shall be happier with the lower entry point.
Then I start the analysis again next day.
Edit. Thanks @CAT-THE-FIFTH I suppose with the general feeling of doom and gloom about economy and jobs etc it's not really that far-fetched. probably not a good time for me to be spending lots of money, but you know.
Then contrary to that you get things like when gibo is saying oh our stock is selling fast but without numbers I guess it doesn't mean anything.
Also this is as good a time as any to ask, but what, if any, is the story behind your username
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Caporegime
Intel,Nvidia and AMD have lost billions in revenue misses,so its quite clear with so many consumers and companies pulling forward purchases due to work from home,and being stuck at home,people have newish rigs already. What do you have now? In my case,I have a Ryzen 7 5700X and I am waiting until Zen5(if I can). If you have a decent AM4 motherboard,a Ryzen 7 5800X3D makes sense,especially when they dip under £400(check HUKD). Also for me,the performance of the sub £400 dGPUs is important - if they are a rubbish increase,I won't be buying them so that is less pressure on the CPU side(OFC Starfield probably won't help WRT to the CPU but I can put up with lowish FPS).
Honestly if you want the Zen4 X3D parts,wait for them? For the sake of maybe 3~6 months its not worth spending £300~£400 on a stop-gap CPU. What I do want is Intel to pressure AMD,and AMD to pressure Intel. So I am happy because the Core i5 pressures the AMD parts,meaning they need price cuts,because the Ryzen 5 7600X is just by the numbers part. Personally I expected by now a Ryzen 5 would be an 8 core part. It's like we are stagnating in core count,just like when Intel offered faster and faster quad cores.The Core i5 feels like some progress is being made,even if it is full of Skylake meme cores.
Because if they don't keep pushing each other,prices won't eventually go down and core counts will stagnate.
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@CAT-THE-FIFTH I HAVE NOTHING.
It's bad timing because I like the dark evenings and gaming time now so to think I'm going to have to wait until February next year potentially for the 3D chips means I probably won't even bother.
I feel less like gaming the lighter it gets, especially as I can get total darkness ATM which is cool with the OLED TV.
It's bad timing because I like the dark evenings and gaming time now so to think I'm going to have to wait until February next year potentially for the 3D chips means I probably won't even bother.
I feel less like gaming the lighter it gets, especially as I can get total darkness ATM which is cool with the OLED TV.
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I'd go with a 7600X and the cheapest board you can get, if on a budget, and want something this year, that will be upgradeable.
Then, stick with the 7600X, for as long as it delivers performance at a certain level of performance. Like 60 or 120 FPS for example.
Best possible time to buy would ofc be when Meteor Lake comes out, but thats 1 year away.
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Caporegime
I still wouldn't go with a Ryzen 5 7600X,because if you want a Zen4 X3D,you are just spending a lot of money for a few months of use. Steve from Hardware Unboxed said the Ryzen 5 7600X should be discounted from $300 closer to $200(the same benchmarks people are using here to justify its price):
AMD Needs To Cut Prices - Intel Core i5-13600K vs. R5 7600X, Benchmarks, Power & Thermals
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Stop-gap CPUs worked with AM4 because they were under £200. A £300+ CPU shouldn't be a stop-gap CPU. You might as well find the extra money for a Ryzen 7 7700X if you want to be on AM5 now.
If you are going for cheaper options,then a Core i5 13600KF with a £150 B660 DDR4 motherboard and some 3600CL16 DDR4 RAM can be had for around £600. But at the same time,this depends on what dGPU you want to use. A Ryzen 7 5700X can be had for £240,and its faster than any console CPU,so should be an effective minimum for a few years. The Core i5 12600KF will be a contender if you find one for around £250.
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Yes, that was my initial thought. I was going to get an average board like that. Gigabyte x670 for about 330 and the 7600x.
Then change it to the 3D closer to the time unless I actually find I don't need it. 7600X is like £300 now so I'd probably get maybe half back as long as the price doesn't drop massively.
Problem is then you see an offer like I did today for the tough X670E for 290 and I then have to start researching all the specs and stuff.
Out of everything it's the DDR5 which pains me the most due to the price.
I cannot stomach the 4090 price either. I returned the one I ordered. I guess really I need to make a decision if I am to finally get that 4K build. I always wanted or compromise yet again on 1440p and potentially not be happy that I did it again. I know life is about compromise but PC gaming for me was always about having an over the top system.
And I don't want to buy bits when they're on offer knowing I have to wait a month still or more to see the new GPUs for example because by then the price could have reduced even more.
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Caporegime
But again you are wasting £320 on a CPU you don't really want. Then what happens if AMD decides to drop the price of the Ryzen 5 7600X a lot to make room for the Ryzen 7 7800X? There is a reason why the eight core is called the Ryzen 7 7700X and not the Ryzen 7 7800X. The Ryzen 7 7800X is probably what the X3D model will be called!
The fact is the Ryzen 5 7600X isn't selling well at all - it's the lowest selling model of all 4 Zen4 CPUs.By the time you spend £400+ on the motherboard and RAM,trying to save £100 on the CPU won't really make much sense. You might as well get a Ryzen 7 7800X over a Ryzen 7 7600X! The reason the Core i5 13600KF makes sense is because the platform costs are much cheaper.
A lot of enthusiasts on here,just get the upgrade bug and keep throwing money on half upgrades. Had many here say they would keep their X370/X470 motherboard for years. Once AMD stopped PCI-E 4.0 from being released on them,bought an X570 and a Zen2 CPU instead. So they never did keep the motherboard for long. Had some on here spend £300 on a Ryzen 5 5600X,then barely a year later lost a lot on it,and bought a Ryzen 9. If they had just bought what they wanted,they would have saved money.
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