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Someone on reddit said with R and D included,it would be $120:
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Thats some serious markup then, really milking the consumer. If its this bad with cpu's, im pretty confident they will do the same with the radeon gpu's.Someone on reddit said with R and D included,it would be $120:
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That motherboard I am close to getting has x1 PCIE5 slot. It talks about it in terms of storage though which I don't get. If a x5 GPU was released does that mean your M2 slots remain at x4? I don't really mind too much, this board strikes a balance between having loads I may not use, and having one I very well may.
Edit: Misread, it says data transfer speeds, so I assume that means for whatever you plug in to that slot and the M2 drives are all x4 which is fine.
Edit2: Apparently it has one x5 M2 as well, I thought on some of these if you had a x5 in the GPU it cancelled out the M2 x5 speed.
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It is and this is the biggest issue,when PCMR makes excuses for companies increasing prices £50 here,£100 there,etc. These companies could reduce prices but still make a huge amount.
I have told many here DIY PC builders and gamers are high margin markets for PC companies. At one point when people were defending high Intel CPU prices,Intel was literally giving away billions of dollars of Atom CPUs to companies. When people were defending high Nvidia dGPU prices,Nvidia lost well over a billion dollars(IIRC) on subsidising Tegra SOCs.
Companies such as Dell probably pay much less for components from Intel/Nvidia/AMD than we do. Just look during the pandemic at the price of RTX3060 dGPUs? Laptops with RTX3060 dGPUs(same chip) were selling for £1000 and under. The same Intel and AMD six core CPUs on desktop were selling £150~£250.
The consoles have huge SOCs,and AMD sells the chip at a lower margin than the equivalently sized dGPU,and Nvidia probably charges even more.
This is why people need to stop defending all the price increases due to XYZ. The tech companies are quite happy to crater margins for non PC gaming/PC building markets.
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That motherboard I am close to getting has x1 PCIE5 slot. It talks about it in terms of storage though which I don't get. If a x5 GPU was released does that mean your M2 slots remain at x4? I don't really mind too much, this board strikes a balance between having loads I may not use, and having one I very well may.
Edit: Misread, it says data transfer speeds, so I assume that means for whatever you plug in to that slot and the M2 drives are all x4 which is fine.
Edit2: Apparently it has one x5 M2 as well, I thought on some of these if you had a x5 in the GPU it cancelled out the M2 x5 speed.
It had 1 PCI 5 GPU slot and 1 PCI 5 m2 I think....
Yeah I think it is ok value even right now (£288).
No price on the B650E Strix boards yet. The Strix X670E-E (£488) doesn't offer much more for the £200 increase: 18+2 VRM over 16+2. 2x PCIE5 (What would he other be used for??) and 2 x5 M2 slots. Hmmm.
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2 X pcie5 m2 slots is appealling I guess. There are possibly some niche case uses for the other slots.
4-5x is a pretty normal target price range for manufacturing. Your TV/Oven/Boiler/Toaster etc all hit or better this target. You need to cover operating costs and create a new pot for R&D. Then there's the shareholders etc
The smaller margins on things like consoles and laptops work because you're taking on guaranteed demand for years.
I paid something like £350 for an i7 Haswell, I doubt the chip cost them more than £50 to make.
Manufacturing has changed a lot, there's more pockets between the design/marketing and fabs. It's probably not sustainable and I definitely won't pay the silly prices things have hit but I really don't see what you can do about it other than not buy or move into a better value hobby.
Have you actually received it? They are all on pre-order only to UK. 16th Nov is a date some sites have for it.
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Falling back on pagefile is horrible - the system slows to a crawl. 16GB is not sufficient for many games. If someone's buying into AM5, 32GB is the only sensible option IMO.
Yes i have it 3 days only,since yesterday is up and running,had a "problem" with 81 code but now after few boots and ram trainings its all good,its slower boot times against alder lake/z690,guess with newer bios will be better i guees.
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Im using b650e with 2x8gb cl 40 6000mhz non expo kit,all games i play (and those are demending one) are so fast,my collegue has identical system like mine but 2x16 same kits cl 40/6000 same mobo same cpu same gpu and we have identical performance,for games 2x8gb is mote then enought
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Keep in mind that what you're not seeing is R&D and all the other costs involved with getting such a business to exist in the first place.
I'd say it's not milking only because there's plenty of competition in the space & the broader economics prevent milking. They need to make more money in order to keep the cycle going, and if they don't go for a lot of volume then TSMC runs low which they'll either try to sell through discounts (in which case AMD will lower prices to pump up volume) or to someone else, but you definitely don't want to leave that capacity for competitors. So all in all, pure milking is not possible by AMD for now, but could happen in the future if they run away with both CPU & GPU (which would be decades away if it happens at all).
For now these prices are the best for maximising AMD's profit margin but are also acceptable to the market, so it's a fair trade. If the market decided it's too much then they'd stop paying, and AMD would have to lower them, or use capacity to fight other strategic battles - f.ex. up the GPU marketshare, more for laptops etc. Plus if AMD really wanted to go for pure profit margin then they'd sell even less to client (desktop), because they are still supply-constrained for cloud/DC etc.
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Its definitely much less with OEMs,etc - the reality is the gross/net margins of these companies are at record levels,based on jacking up prices for many goods. There has been a stealth inflation for the last decade in many areas. This has been fueled by lots of money printing the last decade and low interest rates,which means cheap credit has been the norm. Lots of electronics and even things such as cars are being paid for via credit. It is not sustainable and the obsession with margins having to increase at record levels every year has meant many companies ignore profitable lower margin,high volume markets. This is how China has got a foothold in many areas. Now with the global rise in inflation,depreciation of currencies,rise in interest rates and energy/food insecurity the gravy train might start to get derailed. I suspect a lot of industries are going to get a rude awakening during the next few years.
Ultimately in our hobby,PCMR has justified the massive increases in prices,especially with dGPUs - if people didn't pay the prices the companies would try and charge less.FOMO has caused this. As long as they know they can charge silly prices they will,and who would blame them?! Consumers need to show some control.
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Well that's a load of rubbish. All the games I play utilize <16GB of RAM. RAM is very easy to upgrade later also.
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There was a lot left out of that video, i saw no mention of R&D, Marketing, actual construction of the CPU, Distribution etc. you mention OEM being cheaper but they come with a 1 year warranty and tend to be purchased in the 1000's.
Cost of living is going up globally. Imagine the factory worker in teh CPU factory or the marketing guy, there are probably 100's of people working at these companies all wanting a yearly cost of living pay rise, how do these workers get tehse pay rises with out teh products they help design, build and sell costing more?