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I think one word covers it! "Recession"
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*** AMD "Zen 4" thread (inc AM5/APU discussion) ***
Raptor lake being compatible with dirt cheap Z690 boards and DDR4 are the main reasons IMO!
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Feel sorry for those that bought the 13900K instead of the 7950x, as I said a few weeks ago the prices would drop below Intel by BF this year instead of investing more into a dead-end platform. It's true what they say patience is a virtue. 
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Price of having new tech. I'm still amazed used cars with thousands of miles and 3 to 5 years old are more expensive than new ones.Wow, huge discounts to encourage sales by AMD. Can't remember the last time a new CPU range had such substantial price cuts this quickly, sales must have been terrible!
The early AM5 adopters can't be happy, imagine paying the £750 for the 7950X just a few weeks ago..
These are much more competitive vs Intel now - competition is great
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Yeah, the people saying the 13600K and 13700K are better value and faster need to check in with reality.Cheaper at OcUK ! £359.99
I'll save them having to reply, Multithreading, E-cores, DDR4 blah blah blah.
3 more key words, LGA1700 + dead platform.
It's the same story every time I look on this thread.
This seems like an affordable CPU (£260), if looking to get on a new platform:
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Feel sorry for those that bought the 13900K instead of the 7950x, as I said a few weeks ago the prices would drop below Intel by BF this year instead of investing more into a dead-end platform. It's true what they say patience is a virtue.
Don't feel sorry, they got the fastest gaming cpu to feed the 4090 and don't have to disable half the chip to max performance.
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Not sure, I think there's "some" drop that is permanent, but reading Gibbo's reply earlier, it sounded like the Black Friday Sale further discounted it and that probably extra discount won't last beyond the sales.
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So you're probably looking at a return of £50+ or more on each product once the sales are over.
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A sign that people either need to buy now, or be patient and wait for more sales then...
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Intel's platform is as dead as AMD's. You get absolutely nothing by mobo longevity.Feel sorry for those that bought the 13900K instead of the 7950x, as I said a few weeks ago the prices would drop below Intel by BF this year instead of investing more into a dead-end platform. It's true what they say patience is a virtue.
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If the cost of the zen 4 3d is as much as lets say meteorlake + a mobo, what's the point?? We already saw that before, where the 5800x 3d was more expensive than a 12700 + b660
If the cost of the zen 4 3d is as much as lets say meteorlake + a mobo, what's the point?? We already saw that before, where the 5800x 3d was more expensive than a 12700 + b660
Come back to me when prices are released for both no point speculating
You do realise 5800x3d isn't the only cpu in the am4 lineup
For example someone with an old am4 board or zen 1 or 2 cpu could drop in say 5700x £209.99 which would be cheaper then 12700 + b660 board
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And vastly slower in everything, not really comparable.
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just went from a 1700 to a 5900x (also bought a mobo though)upgrade path myth AM4 ? try telling that to these 2 and many many more
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What if just for gaming ? I won't be entertaining this any further if I don't reply further
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Still I wouldn't buy any am4 cpu since you are stuck with it. Any alder / raptor mobo would allow you to go up to the 13900k.
Gone off topic again who said doing a new build with am4 ? , we are talking about longevity which you called a myth , and you come up with you can upgrade to 13900k lol
Just some examples
Do some research on when some of these CPUs and boards were released
It's been awesome to just be able to drop a new CPU in without changing other things. Went from a 2600 -> 3700X -> 5800X3D on a AB350 Gaming-ITX/ac board I got at microcenter on clearance for $60 in 2018...
Went from a 2600x to 5900x on my old $69 Gigabyte B450 Aorus M motherboard. Works great
I went from a 1700 to a 3700X now to a 5900X all on my launch day X370 Taichi. So good.
Just went from a 2700X to a 5800X on an X370.
I am also going from Ryzen 5 1600x to Ryzen 7 5800X3D
I went from a 1500X to a 5600X on the Strix B350-F
I had the ryzen 5 1600 for about 5 years. Just upgraded last week to the ryzen 5 5600 paid $174. Still using the same mobo Asus strix b450
without the need to buy a new mobo
Just upgraded from 3600 to 5800x3d on my dirt cheap b450m mortar max. The cut down on latency is very noticeable in everywhere. Games 0.1% /1% fps has improve a lot. Even windows 10 and chrome feel much more responsive compare to 3600. Overall best $320 i have ever spent.
Just some examples
Do some research on when some of these CPUs and boards were released
It's been awesome to just be able to drop a new CPU in without changing other things. Went from a 2600 -> 3700X -> 5800X3D on a AB350 Gaming-ITX/ac board I got at microcenter on clearance for $60 in 2018...
Went from a 2600x to 5900x on my old $69 Gigabyte B450 Aorus M motherboard. Works great
I went from a 1700 to a 3700X now to a 5900X all on my launch day X370 Taichi. So good.
Just went from a 2700X to a 5800X on an X370.
I am also going from Ryzen 5 1600x to Ryzen 7 5800X3D
I went from a 1500X to a 5600X on the Strix B350-F
I had the ryzen 5 1600 for about 5 years. Just upgraded last week to the ryzen 5 5600 paid $174. Still using the same mobo Asus strix b450
without the need to buy a new mobo
Just upgraded from 3600 to 5800x3d on my dirt cheap b450m mortar max. The cut down on latency is very noticeable in everywhere. Games 0.1% /1% fps has improve a lot. Even windows 10 and chrome feel much more responsive compare to 3600. Overall best $320 i have ever spent.
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Just glad that I read @Tetras comment a day or two ago about potential price drops. So again, thanks for giving everyone the heads up there.
Was going for a 7900X originally after many weeks of deliberations and comparisons, but held off, and now was able to grab a 7950X for £50 more than what the 7900X was going for a few days ago (before reductions; £548.98 for the 7900X just 3 days ago, and £599.99 for the 7950X now). That's a massive difference (4 cores, 8 more threads) for another £50 (on what I was prepared to drop for and well within something I would have expanded the budget for).
Now just got to finish checking some motherboards and RAM and then can grab suitable case (EATX or not) and wait on the 7000 series GPU in 2-3 weeks.
Was going for a 7900X originally after many weeks of deliberations and comparisons, but held off, and now was able to grab a 7950X for £50 more than what the 7900X was going for a few days ago (before reductions; £548.98 for the 7900X just 3 days ago, and £599.99 for the 7950X now). That's a massive difference (4 cores, 8 more threads) for another £50 (on what I was prepared to drop for and well within something I would have expanded the budget for).
Now just got to finish checking some motherboards and RAM and then can grab suitable case (EATX or not) and wait on the 7000 series GPU in 2-3 weeks.