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*** AMD "Zen 4" thread (inc AM5/APU discussion) ***
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Probably new boards and chipsets required to get higher speeds.
Unless you play Spider Man!
Wondering how Zen4 3D cache will affect AMD performance in this game/engine. Speaking of which, I'm really surprised we've not had more leaks/news of Zen43XC ahead of CES. I wonder if they'll still get announced/unveiled during the event?
Seems a no-brainer for AMD to release it ASAP, as it should regain AMD the gaming performance crown by such a huge margin that Intel can't hope to regain it, for several years at least.
rumored to have at least as big a performance jump as 5800X3D was to 5800X, so 15-20ish% in CPU limited games.
AMD has no motivation to shout about it. Would hurt current Zen 4 sales.
Unless you play Spider Man!
Wondering how Zen4 3D cache will affect AMD performance in this game/engine. Speaking of which, I'm really surprised we've not had more leaks/news of Zen43XC ahead of CES. I wonder if they'll still get announced/unveiled during the event?
Seems a no-brainer for AMD to release it ASAP, as it should regain AMD the gaming performance crown by such a huge margin that Intel can't hope to regain it, for several years at least.
Let's be honest you won't buy one even if its faster in gaming
Gonna wait for x3d see how it performs and might jump on am5 I don't want to build intel system now and end up regretting it when x3d is out also hoping b650e boards get cheaper as time goes by , ain't in no rush current pc does what I want
What resolution is that benchmark can't seem to see it mentioned?
Why isnt the gap as big here ? It's at 1080p
I play this with an 5900x 3080 , maxed 1440p RT with DLSS quality and FPS is 70 - 100+ and it runs smooth no stutter lag
Edit I see it's the older Spiderman game
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Chance of this are between 0 and 0.0001% There's nothing for them to test and validate against. You'll see some gains as the boards will carry over intel designs in pcb layouts but these chances of any of these boards doing 8000+ daily stable in the future with Zen iterations isn't something to hang your hat on.
I'd asking more about how many generations before AMD can even do 8000mhz from a IMC perspective, while maintaining decent sync ratios.
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Thanks for putting this one up, can see the 7900X is still up there with the top dogs. I'm loving this CPU so far, desktop OS has so much pop, everything is instant and temps are great. I came from a 5800X and it really feels like a huge upgrade. My bro is about to go with the top Intel chip, but for the extra power consumption I'm not sure it's worth it. 7*** Series in eco mode is really decent.Let's be honest you won't buy one even if its faster in gaming
Gonna wait for x3d see how it performs and might jump on am5 I don't want to build intel system now and end up regretting it when x3d is out also hoping b650e boards get cheaper as time goes by , ain't in no rush current pc does what I want
What resolution is that benchmark can't seem to see it mentioned?
Why isnt the gap as big here ? It's at 1080p
I play this with an 5900x 3080 , maxed 1440p RT with DLSS quality and FPS is 70 - 100+ and it runs smooth no stutter lag
Edit I see it's the older Spiderman game
No Dave. IMC is on the CPU so will work fine with higher spped memory on older AM5 boards, Just like DDR 4 did
if he can wait , AMD should reveal what the x3d 7000 is about at CES 2023 JAN 5th- 8th
Yes, this is generally what I expect to happen with AM5.
My system became stable in AIDA64 (Cache /RAM test), after setting the memory controller to run at half speed (my DDR5 is running at the rated speed of 6000 MT/s).
With the memory controller running at full speed, the AIDA64 stability test was failing with my SOC voltage at the BIOS preset (usually quite quickly). My impression is that my system's stability seems to improve the more I increase the SOC voltage (presumably because the memory control / IMC requires the additional voltage).
There's little info about how high the SOC voltage can safely be set so far... I've seen some people suggest that 1.4v is crazy, and others saying that 1.4v is within the safe range.
According to Skatterbencher, the SOC PLLs can have an affect on:
With the memory controller running at full speed, the AIDA64 stability test was failing with my SOC voltage at the BIOS preset (usually quite quickly). My impression is that my system's stability seems to improve the more I increase the SOC voltage (presumably because the memory control / IMC requires the additional voltage).
There's little info about how high the SOC voltage can safely be set so far... I've seen some people suggest that 1.4v is crazy, and others saying that 1.4v is within the safe range.
According to Skatterbencher, the SOC PLLs can have an affect on:
- FCLK for the data fabric
- UCLK for the memory controller
- MCLK for the system memory
- GFXCLK for the integrated graphics
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I went from a x370 + 3900X + 64GB DDR4@3000 + slow gen 3 NVMe to 7950X + B650E + 32GB DDR5 @5600 + fast gen 4 NVMe and have not noticed much difference overall, except in benchmarks, its over 2x faster in benchmarks.
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Yeah I agree, he's a die hard Intel fan though. The X3D chips could be gaming monsters as well, but he won't consider AMD.
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Oh I have noticed it in OS use as well as applications, feels like there is more instant reponse. Maybe it's placebo
Not sure why you've not noticed much different. What GPu pairing with because even from a 3000 series to 5000 series I could see a huge difference in smoothness gaming with the same GPU and that was only a 5700xt at time. The 7000 series is another 20-30% on that for gaming so unless you playing medium 1080p on a 3090 or something then you should see an obvious difference I feel from my experience.
I have a 6900XT, I game @1200p 60hz if the game has the option to choose display, if not, 1440p 60Hz. I also under volt the GPU and limit it 2000Mhz to lower power. I did not upgrade for games as a 3900X is more than good enough for games, I upgraded as I had been on X370 for 4-5 years and wanted PCIe Gen 4/5 for faster storage and a general platform upgrade. I was also hoping Visual Studio would get a big boost. Maybe it has and I just haven’t noticed it, I will give my old PC a go after a few weeks and see if it feels slow.
AMD Ryzen 7000X3D series reportedly feature 16, 12 and 8-core models, coming January 2023 - VideoCardz.com
AMD Ryzen 7000 X3D coming at CES 2023 in three variants QuasarZone team has just finished their special coverage on Ryzen 7000X3D series. They confirmed that AMD will indeed launch a 16-core X3D part. Contrary to earlier reports, AMD is indeed developing Ryzen 7000X3D processors with more than...
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Talk of the devil
AMD Ryzen 7000X3D series reportedly feature 16, 12 and 8-core models, coming January 2023 - VideoCardz.com
AMD Ryzen 7000 X3D coming at CES 2023 in three variants QuasarZone team has just finished their special coverage on Ryzen 7000X3D series. They confirmed that AMD will indeed launch a 16-core X3D part. Contrary to earlier reports, AMD is indeed developing Ryzen 7000X3D processors with more than...
videocardz.com
Will pickup a 16 core at launch if performance is there, quite excited
Think my last AMD CPU was a FX-51, many years ago when I was still a teenager!Interested in the 8 core don't have need for extra cores , unless they changed something can't see much difference in gaming compared to the higher core models
Not long to wait looking forward what they present with price , boards still need to drop
Not long to wait looking forward what they present with price , boards still need to drop
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