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*** AMD "Zen 4" thread (inc AM5/APU discussion) ***

Minstadave said:
OK I looked and you're not wrong. £600 for an Asrock Taichi!
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Should grab the Asus Proart for ~£70 less really. I don't know what you get for ~£70 more over the Proart other than more RGB and less features (Thunderbolt 4, 10gb LAN, 1 less PCIe slot). And even then, as a general upgrade, I'd normally balk at that price (~£530). Had I not just experienced a failed system and needed a full system aimed at use for another 10 (hopefully more) years, I wouldn't even bother.
 
Meddling-Monk said:
Should grab the Asus Proart for ~£70 less really. I don't know what you get for ~£70 more over the Proart other than more RGB and less features (Thunderbolt 4, 10gb LAN, 1 less PCIe slot). And even then, as a general upgrade, I'd normally balk at that price (~£530). Had I not just experienced a failed system and needed a full system aimed at use for another 10 (hopefully more) years, I wouldn't even bother.
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Too rich for my blood. I'll try my best to stick with my 5950X for now and see how things develop like you say. I picked up a X570 Aorus Xtreme for £150 earlier in the year I've still got to install to replace my current Asrock board.
 
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pete910 said:
And there's the problem with AM5 for most people it's not realy CPU prices per say . Intel ain't even an option due to zero upgrade path but at least you can get cheap(ish) boards for 13th gen if you wish.
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Aye as long as you go previous gen tech too. If you actually look st this generations boards for 13th gen they similar price too within about 10% lower for lower end and 10% more for higher end generally.

X670e ROG xfire £640, z790 ROG xfire £680 as approx example.

The problem being course you can get a previous gen board but it isn't of course all Gen5/DDR5 then.

So it's end of life at same price or even older end of life with old tech to tie you over for another future upgrade path.
 
pete910 said:
And there's the problem with AM5 for most people it's not realy CPU prices per say . Intel ain't even an option due to zero upgrade path but at least you can get cheap(ish) boards for 13th gen if you wish.
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Just buy another board and Intels got the same upgrade path as AMD, infact it's better as you can pick the vendor that is ahead on performance when you come to upgrade rather than feel like your tied into a platform, costs are no different either as you'll pay more for AMDs kit while Intel parts hold their value better when it comes to resale.
 
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Ironically the very cheapest DDR5 based board you can buy right now is the same price on both platforms, £165 B660, or B650, both Micro-ATX. As you'd be an idiot to not buy DDR5 now, unless you are on a very small budget, building from new.
 
Joxeon said:
Just buy another board and Intels got the same upgrade path as AMD, infact it's better as you can pick the vendor that is ahead on performance when you come to upgrade rather than feel like your tied into a platform, costs are no different either as you'll pay more for AMDs kit while Intel parts hold their value better when it comes to resale.
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Rubbish if you buy AMD and Intel on spec parity then the Intel system is more for higher end mobo and slightly less at lower end but you get one gen and buy again. AMD you can drop a CPU in. You are talking absolute rubbish. The 7700x and 13600k are now at similar price points as is the 13700k to 7900x and the 7950x is £100 les than the 13900k. So if competing mobo of the same gen are same price and both need DDR5 then you are making things up at this point.

If you start down the route of DDR4 and PCIE 4.0 then you are comparing a system that is pariaty to AMD B550/X570 instead since that the same spec and you can choose which CPU suits best and then upgrade to either Zen5 or Intel 14th Gen later on both just as easily.
 
Joxeon said:
Just buy another board and Intels got the same upgrade path as AMD, infact it's better as you can pick the vendor that is ahead on performance when you come to upgrade rather than feel like your tied into a platform, costs are no different either as you'll pay more for AMDs kit while Intel parts hold their value better when it comes to resale.
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On top of what @Curlyriff said Intel boards are end of socket life, AMD 600 series boards have 2 maybe 3 CPU generations left in them.
 
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humbug said:
On top of what @Curlyriff said Intel boards are end of socket life, AMD 600 series boards have 2 maybe 3 CPU generations left in them.
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You can still sell the Intel parts when you come to upgrade again and they tend to hold their prices better than AMD stuff does on the used market, the only time AMD makes more sense is if you're a serial upgrader who gets a new CPU.
 
Joxeon said:
You can still sell the Intel parts when you come to upgrade again and they tend to hold their prices better than AMD stuff does on the used market, the only time AMD makes more sense is if you're a serial upgrader who gets a new CPU.
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Because AMD new prices tend to be lower than Intel, or if not initially they do come right down eventually, you can't sell a used 5900X for £300 because you paid £500 for it when its still selling right now for £350 brand new right here.
A 5600, 6 cores 12 Zen 3 threads, is £140, a 5800X3D is £360.

A 7950X is now cheaper than the 13900K, not much, £30, because the 13900K currently has a £50 discount, at least here.

Define serial upgrader? If you're looking for a good CPU to keep you going for a few years the 5700X is £210, the 12600K is £300, see what i mean?

In any case why sell when you can just drop in a new chip without having to do that?

PS: Zen 3 is still outselling everything by a mile...
 
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Upgraded to 7900X and 16GB DDR5 6000Mhz, tis very fast, running in eco mode, performance is up there with the big boys and temps are great. Great job AMD.

Running around 76c under load, think I got a good chip here.
 
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McGraw said:
I'm sticking with my 3070. I'm not paying Jensen's mortgage this time
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I wish I could do the same, I'm borrowing a RTX 3070 FE, but I need to give it back by the end of the year...

I had a used RTX 3080 until recently, but the fans were on the verge of breaking, so I got a refund.

I'm thinking about buying a RX 6600 8GB, as a stop gap, while I wait for something better (and more affordable) from the RDNA3 or RTX 4000 series.

I wonder if there's a mid/low tier graphics card I could buy, that would keep most of it's value if I sold it next year?
 
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I wonder how current AM5 boards will support higher rated DDR5 modules in the future (e.g. 8000-10,000 MT/s)?

Maybe they will engineer future modules to use less voltage, so that they can be ran at similar voltages to existing modules, such as 1.1-1.45v?
 
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g67575 said:
I wonder if there's a mid/low tier graphics card I could buy, that would keep most of it's value if I sold it next year?
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Don't forget you can make offers as well.

My basket at OcUK:

Total: £560.48 (Includes shipping: £10.50)​



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