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Always been one sided for AMD, i watch his videos sometimes just for some info, even if it's BS, but he's obviously really biased. Arrogant too.
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*** AMD "Zen 4" thread (inc AM5/APU discussion) ***
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I've been thinking about upgrading my 3600 this week
Looked at the 5800x3D, but at that price, why bother sticking with AM4? May as well go AM5, 7700X for same price
Looked at the 5800x3D, but at that price, why bother sticking with AM4? May as well go AM5, 7700X for same price
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Big cost to pick up an AM5 board and DDR5 when you can have the same performance by just stopping in a 5800X3D for £300.
Edit looks like they're £350 ish now.
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Yeah, but it's end of life really, after that would be a new board , ram etc anyway
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380, so nearly 400 quid!
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The Asus Proart X670E Creator also has the Intel I225-V (think it was revision 4 or 5 though) for the 2.5g port. I'm using the 10g port for the connection, so I have no idea if it's got any issue or not.
It’s been working fine, downloaded 100’s of GB, just a bit paranoid about it now though. Was debugging a Blazor site today and checking the exception in the browser tools, lots of disconnections. I don’t think this is the NIC, but every time I see it now, I think it’s the NIC, ignorance is bliss. This board does not have any 1x PCIe slots so if the NIC is bad I would have to use WIFI!
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The 13600K still wipes the floor with Zen 4 in various games, so it will depend on what you play.
I guess the argument for 5800X3D would be that it's cheaper to make that upgrade and by not locking-in AM5 you are then more open to potentially changing to Intel if they launch something competitive. I'd say you'll get at least 4 years out of the 5800X3D with it as a top CPU, so by then we should see some of the real Intel counterattack (Lunar Lake et al) and we'd also be close to AM6 (AMD only promised AM5 support until 2025 iirc). In the end, just like for the guy above, it depends a lot on games/workloads. 5800X3D is on-par or slightly better than 7700X in a lot of games, but then has huge wins or huge losses in others, and ofc 7700X much better in applications.
To me an early adoption of AM5 for gaming made sense because I thought the X3D parts would end up more powerful than what they did end up showing and Intel for the most part has nothing interesting for at least another generation. As it stands now though I think the 5800X3D-upgrade value-proposition is the strongest, and I'd favour that the most.
Out of interest, would updating your bios to this wonky version do anything long term or just until you either roll back or wait for a fixed bios?
I've got a 7600x coming in a few days.
Using flashback would completely overwrite it, don’t think it caused any damage, just disabled core0 on 7600X (only the ones with 2 CCD’s). Didn’t think any 7600X’s had two CCD’s but apparently a small number of them do. Think I would be a bit upset if I got a 7600X and it had two CCD's as it would probably be a bit slower than a single CCD version.
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Ah ok. Just had a look into this, if you get one with 2 CCD's it's apparently the same performance wise. The dead CCD is fused off at the factory. Reminds me of the old Athlon days although now companies are too tight to allow a potentially working chip to be unlocked.
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Not much at the present however this is about to change when Company of Heroes 3 releases, Settlers and may dig back into a few other titles later.
Are we confident that it's always an entire dead CCD, not that the CPU ends up with 4 cores on one and 2 on the second or anything weird?
(This does make me wonder about the core distribution in the 7900X though! Is it always 6-6 or can you get 8-4, and does that do anything weird to optimal thread loads?)
Those seem like decent candidates for being good responders to a lot of extra cache. We'll have to see when they launch, but it would mean 7800X3D rather than something like a 7600X, else the 13600K is still great.
Going to be pricy is that? DDR5 is starting to settle down, but motherboards are still costing as much as the chip.
OcUK is generally a lot cheaper on Zen 4 7000 series CPU's compared to most competitors and yes DDR5 is coming down in price quite a bit now.
AMD Ryzen 7000 Processors Available at Overclockers UK
Take your gaming PC to the next level with the latest AMD Ryzen 7000 processors featuring Zen 4 architecture, DDR5 RAM, and the latest PCIe Gen 5 support.
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