I wouldn't agree that AMD are restricting supply just to inflate prices. It's probably true that Intel like to 'flood the channel' IMHO AMD have a better idea of their business objectives than most you tubers or posters to this forum. It's a complicated, expensive industry to be in.
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When you have your own fabs you can flood the market as much as you like. But you kill your margins as Intel are finding out. It's good flooding the market when they all sell but, as we are seeing, when they don't sell you have to lower prices to lower inventory to shift stock to flood the market and round and round you go. Intel would have been better to not flood the channel to protect margins which I think i've seen at the moment are roughly 11%. I think people are going to be in shock in a few years when Intel has to hoist prices 30-40% to get their margins back to where they were.
Underboss
hmmm
gone back to crashing again
so , what's changed?
changed my GPU to a 3090, and i was in VR tonight, simple game online with others, and the game crashed several times, and once or twice PC restarted
tomorrow ill return to default bios, and test that game again
gone back to crashing again
so , what's changed?
changed my GPU to a 3090, and i was in VR tonight, simple game online with others, and the game crashed several times, and once or twice PC restarted
tomorrow ill return to default bios, and test that game again
Well in case it helps anybody, Asroxk x670E Pro RS and Corsair Vengeance CMK32GX5M2D6000Z36 EXPO kit play together nicely with EXPO enabled. The EXPO kit is not on the QVL list but the XMP version is, I figured the settings are probably the same between them.
This is my first AMD CPU since an Athlon, playing around with PBO and it doesn't seem to do anything. Identical temps (85 max), power draw, clock speed (5.2something all core) and score in Cinebench with PBO on vs off. Here is a screenshot of Ryzen Master while Cinebench multi is running, you can see temp, PPT, TDC and EDC limits are not being touched, so what's limiting the CPU at this point? edit - 7700x
Thanks
This is my first AMD CPU since an Athlon, playing around with PBO and it doesn't seem to do anything. Identical temps (85 max), power draw, clock speed (5.2something all core) and score in Cinebench with PBO on vs off. Here is a screenshot of Ryzen Master while Cinebench multi is running, you can see temp, PPT, TDC and EDC limits are not being touched, so what's limiting the CPU at this point? edit - 7700x
Thanks
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Underboss
2 hours of prime 95 testing currently, no problems
got a new mobo and CPU coming tomorrow
hopwfuly ill find the problem !
got a new mobo and CPU coming tomorrow
hopwfuly ill find the problem !
Bit more testing and think I've answered my own question. I was worried that PBO wasn't working properly on my MOBO as I wasn't seeing any difference on vs off, but by upping the scalar I did manage to increase the power draw so PBO does seem to be working and lifting the power limits. It gave me a 0% performance increase though for slightly higher power and temps (in Cinebench at least which is all I've tested so far), so seems pointless. This aligns with what basically everybody else on the internet is saying - curve optimiser with a negative offset is the way to go. PBO on without touching anything else appears pointless for my chip, I think it just gets limited by voltage, the stock/PBO off PPT limit is 99% enough.
Underboss
prime95
3 hours
still passing !
do i keep it running >?
3 hours
still passing !
do i keep it running >?
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Soldato
Is there a benefit to a X670 board over a B650 board? The difference seems less clear cut with AMD.
Pretty much boils down to I/O. More usb, sata ports and pcie lanes/m.2 slots on X670 in general. Otherwise same class motherboards on these chipsets are very similar.
VRM is overengineered on anything that isn't basement tier.
Excellent list and would add that the more premium x670e boards offer better RGB options
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Mine doesnt support pcie5 but a good board for overclocking msi b650 tomahawk
Underboss
OK, so I bought another rog strix x670 E F gaming wifi
Swapped everything over
Using same cpu at the moment until new ones arrives later
But it's not booting at all
Says memory error on the LEDs
Nothing on screen
Swapped everything over
Using same cpu at the moment until new ones arrives later
But it's not booting at all
Says memory error on the LEDs
Nothing on screen
Underboss
Going to try pulling out memory sticks and put just 1 in temporary to see if it boots
Underboss
Interesting,
Pulled 1 stick out
No boot
Pulled other stick out
Put the other one in
Booted
Pulled 1 stick out
No boot
Pulled other stick out
Put the other one in
Booted
Underboss
I'm now in windows
1 stick of RAM
And I still have a VGA LED Fault light on
1 stick of RAM
And I still have a VGA LED Fault light on
Soldato
Have you updated the motherboard bios?
Underboss
Not yet on this new one
Quick test, ands crashing still
I'll update bios next
If same, new CPU to go in later, if still crashes, could it be PSU?
Are you using the iGPU, for testing I would use that.
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Underboss
Good point
Wish I thought that before I bought I bought a new motherboard lol
But windows is fine
Not sure if a game will work on the iGPU but I'll give it a whirl
Wish I thought that before I bought I bought a new motherboard lol
But windows is fine
Not sure if a game will work on the iGPU but I'll give it a whirl
If you have 3DMark, think it has a iGPU test (Night Raid).
Edit:
Turning medium load BoostIt off in the BIOS can improve stability, I used the search on the main screen to find it.
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