Some Youtubers are speculating on late September it seems, which is quicker than usual, but if no one is buying these then you never know.
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AMD Zen 5 rumours
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Was about to say the same thing, although the lack of any games that require a faster cpu are thin on the ground so I can probably wait a bit.
Impressive efficiently, but the reviews also show how great the 7800X3D is!
To be fair the R9s should have a reasonable, though not game changing, jump up in gaming performance and in some applications a decent benefit in MT compared to the 14900. Obviously the X3D chips are where the real gaming performance is though.
If Intel can "unbreak" them, and keep the price in the mid £300 range, frankly the 14700K is a better buy in many ways unless power draw is a real issue for someone or they want to bet on the long game for platform longevity :s
What happened to the 25% mega uplift that all the tubers and "leaks" kept mentioning.
I think the chips have landed pretty much where they were expected but the disappointment lies mostly with the over dramatisation made about the supposed uplift.
The chips are still slower than intel in productivity programs
I think the chips have landed pretty much where they were expected but the disappointment lies mostly with the over dramatisation made about the supposed uplift.
The chips are still slower than intel in productivity programs
Rightfully so both where roasted for this and now AMD's done it and some posters have gone very quiet some of which are busy doubling down on the power consumption.
This has all the hallmarks of multiple generations of Intel levels of stagnation and I hope the 9900X/9950X/9xxxX3D don't follow the same path.
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Seems the performance of the 9700X is quite constrained because of stock 65w limits and once you unlock PBO the performance increases by quite a large margin according to der8auer but of course you lose the effiency and temperature gains of Zen 5
TPU includes PBO/max in their review, 1-2 applications it gives a decent boost over stock but most stuff is a tiny increase from stock for a big jump in power/temperature (In MT it basically doubles the power use for just over 5% average performance increase).
EDIT: That Cinebench 21% result is not reflected in other application uplifts, though he seems to be getting bigger gains from it than other reviewers interestingly - maybe depends on chip quality.
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I think something must have gone wrong with Zen 5, that guy who was hyping it up (pretty sure he was with AMD?) made it out like it would be a bigger than usual increase, and we didn't even get the usual increase. This was only a year or 2 back.I wonder which YouTuber was claiming that
I guess AM4 continues to be most legendary platform since LGA775 or even Socket7.
AMD may have promised good longevity for AM5 but between AM5 boards being expensive especially at launch*, and now Zen4 and Zen5 being less than the uplift between Zen1's 1000s and 2000s series... Well the value of buying into an AM5 board has deminished.
* AM5 launch prices may have been influenced by motherboard manufacturers telling us what they think of platform longevity - and that they will make their profits either way!
AMD may have promised good longevity for AM5 but between AM5 boards being expensive especially at launch*, and now Zen4 and Zen5 being less than the uplift between Zen1's 1000s and 2000s series... Well the value of buying into an AM5 board has deminished.
* AM5 launch prices may have been influenced by motherboard manufacturers telling us what they think of platform longevity - and that they will make their profits either way!
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Either way there's still performance left on the table at least, its just if you are willing to give up the efficiency
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Let's not forget the diminishing returns as technology improves, eventually convergence will set in and the gains become more and more minimal as time goes on.
I think the product cycles will likely start to get longer, there seems to be little reason to upgrade every product cycle unlike a few years ago
One YouTuber has got gains of 20-40% in a fair range of titles from PBO + memory tuning but it still averages a little over 5% over a broad range of applications and seems to depend a lot on the individual chip quality as to the performance uplift and power efficiency and comes at the expense of Intel like power draw.
Worst i've seen the 9700x when unlocked power wise with pbo is around 165w, but the uplift in certain tasks can increase its performance by 20% which is nothing to sniff at, its only a 8c/16t so comparing it to anything intel is null void, unless the intel part is a 8c/16.
Granted the gaming side is all over the place, dont know if its the chip(s) or early bios issues, but most reveiws say the new 9000 is very good at 65w (88w socket power).
I may look at the 9950x still but if the weird bugs are still there i may wait until bios's mature or even go for a x3d chip, for now my 7950x is where i'll stay.
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I think Derbauer showed his 9700x at 180w with PBO on and 80w with it off in the same test
So its a 20% performance gain in Cinebench for 125% increase in power draw. Up to you if its worth it
I think this is how all CPUs and GPUs should work. I want it to use low power out of the box and let me decide if its worth adding extra power for 20% more performance, don't make that choice for me
So its a 20% performance gain in Cinebench for 125% increase in power draw. Up to you if its worth it
I think this is how all CPUs and GPUs should work. I want it to use low power out of the box and let me decide if its worth adding extra power for 20% more performance, don't make that choice for me
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I was really meaning Intel like in that for the last few small percent extra performance the power use rises dramatically. But regardless of core configuration you are getting around 14600K performance and going from very efficient to similar levels of power consumption as the Intel part (I'm having to generalise a bit here as there isn't a perfect comparison).
Given the performance/power consumption scaling to catch up with 14700K it would probably incur very similar power draw:
AMD Ryzen 7 9700X Review - The Magic of Zen 5
The AMD Ryzen 7 9700X boasts a robust eight-core design and exceptional single-threaded performance with great power efficiency. In our review we saw good gains with PBO overclocking and TDP increases. Unfortunately, the $360 price tag is steep, and there are several good alternatives available.
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Probably down to the £600 motherboard he's using