Caporegime
Zen 5 is on 4nm, not 3nm, the same as the RTX 4000 series.
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AMD Zen 5 rumours
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Zen 5 is on 4nm, not 3nm, the same as the RTX 4000 series.
Oh, I assumed it would have been on N3. In this case, it's pretty good news, I wonder if AMD is also experimenting with Samsung nodes...
Arrow Lake will also be using TSMC 4nm. I'm excited to see AMD/Intel finally compete on the same process node, where only architecture and design matter.
Caporegime
Intel finally admitting they can't keep up with TSMC? can't beat them join them?
That doesn't look good for their own fab business.
That confirmed? Thought they were only using tsmc for the igpu tile.
Caporegime
I don't think it really matters, Intel would still have to try and make enough money to keep servicing their own fabs while at the same time paying TSMC for wafers in the same way AMD and Nvidia do.
If it is true Arrow Lake will not be cheap, i'm saying that now, Intel will hope AMD blunders Zen 5, very unlikely, and then charge the a fortune for them so they can pay to service their own fabs while not using them and paying TSMC.
All Intel seems to be doing these days is desperation and hoping AMD Bulldozers something along the way.
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Yeah it won't be cheap full package is 3d stacked on the foveros passive layer.
Confirmed in all leaks so far.
That will be very interesting.
Sort of expecting Arrow Lake's P cores to be even more power hungry than the current ones - all things being equal. See if TSMC 4nm will be able to tame that, but they are crazily wide.
Soldato
They're gonna be expensive CPUs...
They're gonna be expensive CPUs...
Intel may further reduce their margin on desktop in order to keep/gain market share. The current 13th gen CPU's are also very expensive to make, huge monolithic dies compared to what Zen4 is using.
Caporegime
Ironically the Zen 4 P-Cores are little bigger than the E-Cores in 13'th gen, you can fit about 3 Zen 4 cores in one P-Core. Those 8 core chiplets about the size of your little fingernail, you get about 1,300 of them per 300mm wafer.
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Be interesting to see how much smaller they get once on TSMC 4nm. Arrow Lake is a 40 core CPU - 8P and 32E. Can't wait to know the die sizes.
Soldato
If they both finally do end up on 4nm it will be good to at least truly compare differences when on same node.
AMD's had the process advantage for so long, this will be the great equalizer! That said, unless Intel's significantly changed their P cores, it'll still be much more power hungry than Zen5.
Shows how much AMD are holding back so they can overcharge us
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Sorry but Intel's manufacturing credibility has suffered so much this last decade that I will only believe it when I see it!
Yeah, it’s a really big if.
I.F. Intel Foundry
I guess there is a reason why Intel insisted on adding Services to the end of that!