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I've not used SteamOS since the early days, when it could only play about 20% of my game library.
I can't even find Linux apps for Battle.net, Epic Store, EA or Windows Store (I guess, duh).

I guess you have to emulate them? Does that lose much performance (since that's the thing we're interested in here).
 
GoogalyMoogaly said:
I've not used SteamOS since the early days, when it could only play about 20% of my game library.
I can't even find Linux apps for Battle.net, Epic Store, EA or Windows Store (I guess, duh).

I guess you have to emulate them? Does that lose much performance (since that's the thing we're interested in here).
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Its very much better now, its still not 100% but like 90% and getting better all the time, Valve developed Proton as a DXVK translation layer, i have little knowledge on it TBH but i game with someone who is a Linux fanboy and he's been using Proton for some years, he can play every game that i do, often with higher relative performance, just plain better, its why the Steam Deck works so well despite it having much weaker hardware than the ROG Ally.


humbug said:
Valve have confirmed they are developing SteamOS for competitors handhelds, such as the ROG Ally, Asus are dumping Windows and going SteamOS, there is also a renewed interest in SteamOS as a standalone ISO.
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I downloaded 26100.1150 and did a clean install, I used the MW3 in game benchmark before and after and saw no CPU performance improvement from 23H2 to 24H2 with a Ryzen 7600. Weird because it was one of the biggest gains on the HUB video.
 
Eddie99 said:
I downloaded 26100.1150 and did a clean install, I used the MW3 in game benchmark before and after and saw no CPU performance improvement from 23H2 to 24H2 with a Ryzen 7600. Weird because it was one of the biggest gains on the HUB video.
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What GPU and resolution? the gains will mostly be seen at 1080p and below - at 1440p with high settings or 4K the GPU is the bigger bottleneck and CPU gains are much reduced.
 
While on this subject...

DX11 on the left, Mantle on the right, with a CPU that defiantly bottlenecked the game, in DX.

Not only are the frame rates 2X as high, the frame times in DX11 at this time were horrendous, these days even 30 FPS can still feel smooth if also a little laggy on DX12 or Vulkan, in those days even at 60+ it was like a stab in the eye with a rusty nail compared to what we have today.

 
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Rroff said:
What GPU and resolution? the gains will mostly be seen at 1080p and below - at 1440p with high settings or 4K the GPU is the bigger bottleneck and CPU gains are much reduced.
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I was just about to say ^^^^^ unless you're actually testing for a CPU bottleneck you're not going to see any improvement. Its not as if this patch will make your GPU faster, you know...? :)
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4K with DLSS Quality. However the MW3 benchmark has separate GPU and CPU numbers, and when I upgraded my CPU the scores improved significantly. 23H2 to 24H2 gained nothing.
 
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I changed my settings to 1080p basic, I'm getting an average of 319 fps and a 1% low of 173 fps. That's very close to 23H2 from the HUB video which gets 331 fps average and 167 fps 1% low, my 7600 is weaker than the 7700x they tested but I use tighter RAM timings.

For some reason I'm not getting the new branch prediction optimizations on 24H2, not sure why. The iso that I downloaded was Windows11_InsiderPreview_Client_x64_en-gb_26100.1150. I created the USB installer using rufus and disabled the requirement for TPM, secure boot, Bitlocker and an online account.
 
Eddie99 said:
I downloaded 26100.1150 and did a clean install, I used the MW3 in game benchmark before and after and saw no CPU performance improvement from 23H2 to 24H2 with a Ryzen 7600. Weird because it was one of the biggest gains on the HUB video.
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We assume when you say this you understand what a CPU and GPU bottleneck is, but if not - you will only get the same result as HUB if you have an RTX4090 and run the game at 1080p, or lower resolution.
Its also possible than even though they called it MW3, maybe they actually tested Warzone
 
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Grim5 said:
We assume when you say this you understand what a CPU and GPU bottleneck is, but if not - you will only get the same result as HUB if you have an RTX4090 and run the game at 1080p, or lower resolution.
Its also possible than even though they called it MW3, maybe they actually tested Warzone
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Already mentioned earlier that the MW3 benchmark displays both GPU and CPU benchmarks independently, you don't need a 4090 to benchmark the CPU. I suspect HUB have shown the CPU result as I doubt they'd get an average of 420 fps even with a 4090. In the video you can see the built in MW3 benchmark running in the background, it's not Warzone.
 
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Already mentioned earlier that the MW3 benchmark displays both GPU and CPU benchmarks independently, you don't need a 4090 to benchmark the CPU. I suspect HUB have shown the CPU result as I doubt they'd get an average of 420 fps even with a 4090. In the video you can see the built in MW3 benchmark running in the background, it's not Warzone.
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I don't know much about the MW3 benchmark but similar benchmarks in other games the CPU score is still somewhat affected by the GPU and you won't get the max possible CPU results if you don't have like a 4090 - but I don't know if that is true for MW3.
 
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Already mentioned earlier that the MW3 benchmark displays both GPU and CPU benchmarks independently, you don't need a 4090 to benchmark the CPU. I suspect HUB have shown the CPU result as I doubt they'd get an average of 420 fps even with a 4090. In the video you can see the built in MW3 benchmark running in the background, it's not Warzone.
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If you are GPU bottlenecked then you are already getting 100% performance out of your CPU. What it is showing is the hard limit that current CPU has based on your GPU performance and ability for throughput so although the update may allow greater performance it is locked behind something, which in this case would be your GPU. If as noted you put it at lower resolution with stronger GPU then you likely see some performance improvement. Amount varying depending on your resolution/GPU combo that goes with. You could try running like 480p and see if there difference then.
 
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Last time I used insider program about a year or so ago (so probably for 23h2) a couple of games wouldn't work at all. Can't remember which ones other than Assassins creed valhalla which peed me off as it was my main game at the time
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It's a shame as I cba with the faff of downgrading to 23h2 now but was really into mafia and now can't play it. Read mixed reports where some have said to disable hardware acceleration but not tried yet.
 
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I really don't understand AMD's motherboard releases. Surely to get the maximum number of sales they should launch them alongside the cpu's? Instead they delay them for months in which time prospective 9000 series cpu buyers will have gone with X670/B650/B620 boards. Delaying B850 boards until at least January is just foolish when they could have been already selling them for almost 6 months.
 
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I really don't understand AMD's motherboard releases. Surely to get the maximum number of sales they should launch them alongside the cpu's? Instead they delay them for months in which time prospective 9000 series cpu buyers will have gone with X670/B650/B620 boards. Delaying B850 boards until at least January is just foolish when they could have been already selling them for almost 6 months.
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It looks to me like AMD rushed out the zen5 launch early before boards were ready as they knew performance was lacklustre, had they waited until end of September then they would have gone up against Intels launch and if Intel performs well then reviewers might have recommended them instead.
 
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