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AMD Zen 5 rumours
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Soldato
Thanks, not got much knowledge of their previous releases. Interesting to note that whilst the current chipset boards should be fine for those up and coming CPU's another chipset could be offered when they are release.
but then again, maybe not.
Glad that cleared that up
In the little that I have kept up with the next AMD CPU's to be released I hadn't noted anything concerning a new chipset for motherboards.
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Caporegime
AM4 was released in 2017, AMD said they will support multi-generational CPU's, that' turned out to be:
Zen 1
Zen 1+
Zen 2
Zen 3
The last new CPU release for AM4 was in 2022, so 5 years life.
Tho motherboard vendors released new boards with each new generation, some with new chipsets, while at the same time the last AM4 CPU drops in the first generation AM4 motherboard and everything between.
AMD have said AM5 will also be a multi-generations platform.
Zen 1
Zen 1+
Zen 2
Zen 3
The last new CPU release for AM4 was in 2022, so 5 years life.
Tho motherboard vendors released new boards with each new generation, some with new chipsets, while at the same time the last AM4 CPU drops in the first generation AM4 motherboard and everything between.
AMD have said AM5 will also be a multi-generations platform.
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X3D is all about gaming performance, unfortunately the link I posted only contains cinebench numbers which isn't particularly reflective of games. I plan on switching to one of the X3D chips myself
Do you perhaps have a link to where they've committed to specific architectures?
The only one I could find is AMD saying they'll support AM5 through 2025, which I interpret as whatever CPUs are released until the end of 2025, be that ZenXYZ. So if Zen6 is not supported it would need to be released some time in 2026 and assuming Zen5 is 2024 that would be quite a long wait between Zen5 and 6 just to avoid the commitment to not bringing in AM6 till 2026
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Caporegime
DDR6 is due for release in 2025/26, that would require a new platform.
Caporegime
In-terms of innovation there is competition, both AMD and Intel are trying to develop their products as fast as they can, if one says "nah lets slow down" they will fall behind.
Intel have lost their performance crown, their market-share, their reputation and prestige because in recent years AMD has blasted past them at breakneck speed.
With Bulldozer AMD was staring down the barrel of going bust, they came to with in an inch of it, analysts have put AMD's life expectancy at 3 to 6 months if it was not for Zen.
All it takes is for one of them not to deliver in a 2 or 3 year period for them to find themselves in very real trouble, both AMD and Intel understand the market is that volatile.
Intel have lost their performance crown, their market-share, their reputation and prestige because in recent years AMD has blasted past them at breakneck speed.
With Bulldozer AMD was staring down the barrel of going bust, they came to with in an inch of it, analysts have put AMD's life expectancy at 3 to 6 months if it was not for Zen.
All it takes is for one of them not to deliver in a 2 or 3 year period for them to find themselves in very real trouble, both AMD and Intel understand the market is that volatile.
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I think they both learnt from Intel's mistake treading water for too long. Shame I didn't buy AMD shares at $3 dollars when I was tipping them to colleagues
This kind of thing is moving much faster than in previous years, the PCIE communication standard is even crazier
You know how we just got pcie5 boards like a year ago and most people are still on pcie4 right? Well pcie6 is already finished and pcie7 is now nearly finished as well
A lot of these things are speeding up only now because it's not a big change to make it faster and there was no need before. It's now mainly driven by data centres wanting faster storage drives, that's why we got gen5 when gen4 and even Gen 3 SSDs were perfectly capable for consumers. And in a couple years we'll have gen7 SSDs because data centres want them
It's a similar story with memory. DDR4 is perfectly fine for consumers, but data centres are asking for faster memory as it helps them so we moved to ddr5 and soon we'll have ddr6 ram as well even though we don't need it
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I wrote that "AMD has only publicly committed to AM5 supporting Zen4 and Zen5"
"Proof" - Zen5 = Ryzen 8000 series
Source:
AMD Confirms AM5 Support For Ryzen 8000 Processors, Zen 5 with Navi 3.5
Obviously they could change their minds, but would have been very easy for them to promise support for Zen 6 on AM5 in 2025, if they wanted AM5 to appear an even more tempting offer for those considering it with longevity in mind.
Lot of stuff ongoing, die sizes, AI and whatever else.
Intel isnt offering any competiton atm anyhow.
I suspect the 8000series 3d Vcache processors will be out in early 2025, and ZEN6 a year later and may be on AM6.
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Hoping I can build a 8800X3D/5090 build in the first half of 2025 then. It might be my last ever gaming build!
I wouldnt say that Intel is not offerring competition. The performance is similar and Intel is 2 die shrinks behind. Imagine how it would look on the same process.
While currently, it would be insane to pick Intel over AMD for gaming - personally I think Arrow Lake will almost certainly be faster than Zen5 and Intel committed to supporting 3 generations on the new socket.
Caporegime
No for sure there is good competition, on consumer desktop, server Intel are still getting pummelled all over the place and it looks like that's going to continue for the next couple of known generations.
Zen 5 in release form probably 15 - 25% faster than Zen 4, Zen 6 might be a bigger leap as that is ground up brand new....
Zen 5 in release form probably 15 - 25% faster than Zen 4, Zen 6 might be a bigger leap as that is ground up brand new....
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Leaked intel slides say arrow lake will only get 1.05 ST / 1.15 MT increase over their current processors, zen 5 looks to get a far higher increase over zen 4, not to mention intel will be off ringbus and have chiplets ( monolithic dies and ringbus has been the only think saving intel in the last few years ), intels current desktop cpus while competitive from a performance point they are not from a cost point.
We will see, while I slightly prefer Intel just due to usually less problematic platforms, I dont mind AMD being the performance king, as long as there is progress.