AMD Zen 5 rumours

[humbug]

We will see, while I slightly prefer Intel just due to usually less problematic platforms, I dont mind AMD being the performance king, as long as there is progress.

mmm...... don't be so sure of that.

There is plenty on the Internet proving increasingly problematic Intel platforms as they are innovate trying to catch-up with AMD's technology lead, Intel are no longer able to stick with tried and tested decades old technology.

SNAP - The Intel CPU Latency Story (Part 1 of 2)

I always thought Intel's CPUs were snappy, in fact that were the snappiest of snappiest, even vs Ryzen, where AMD have improved a lot over the years with the...

youtu.be

 

[srekal34]

mmm...... don't be so sure of that.

There is plenty on the Internet proving increasingly problematic Intel platforms as they are innovate trying to catch-up with AMD's technology lead, Intel are no longer able to stick with tried and tested decades old technology.

SNAP - The Intel CPU Latency Story (Part 1 of 2)

I always thought Intel's CPUs were snappy, in fact that were the snappiest of snappiest, even vs Ryzen, where AMD have improved a lot over the years with the...

youtu.be

Fascinating! Thanks for the link. Indeed I observed that exact behavior on 13900k, but did not think much of it.
Is 7950x3d exhibiting the same(the delay in loading files in explorer etc)?

 

[humbug]

Fascinating! Thanks for the link. Indeed I observed that exact behavior on 13900k, but did not think much of it.
Is 7950x3d exhibiting the same(the delay in loading files in explorer etc)?

The thing is people are so used to Intel being on top and assuming they are just the best...... when something starts to go a bit iki people think they are just imagining it or there is a problem with the system..... they don't think its the CPU architecture.

JayZ2Cents a while ago has been messing about with AMD 7000 series CPU's, in sevral of these videos he's commented things like "wow this so smooth and snappy" he didn't click for quite a while that he's just been used to 12'th and 13'th gen CPU's.
But one day it did click with him, it is the CPU, he decided to rebuild his home rig with a Ryzen 7000 CPU and explains, briefly why here.....

Do I regret using the 7950X3D CPU in my rig? Let's talk about it!

Now that I have resolved the issues I had with my AMD 7950X3D rig... do I regret using this CPU? Let's talk about it!Learn more about the Phanteks T30 fan he...

youtu.be

 

[humbug]

One thing i just noticed about JayZ2Cents is that he rambles all over the place, for example he got the the opinion on the gaming of the CPU, i'm about 4 minutes after him saying that he wanted to talk about gaming on it and before getting to that point he's digressed to ram configuration, ram speed, then cooler type, then temps, then world of warships on his 10900K.......... and he's just not getting to the point, he ranbles and digresses so much he forgets about the point he wanted to make.

Its quite frustrating to watch when all you want is plain useful facts and he's just filling a long rambling video with useless noise.

 

[henson0115]

One thing i just noticed about JayZ2Cents is that he rambles all over the place, for example he got the the opinion on the gaming of the CPU, i'm about 4 minutes after him saying that he wanted to talk about gaming on it and before getting to that point he's digressed to ram configuration, ram speed, then cooler type, then temps, then world of warships on his 10900K.......... and he's just not getting to the point, he ranbles and digresses so much he forgets about the point he wanted to make.

Its quite frustrating to watch when all you want is plain useful facts and he's just filling a long rambling video with useless noise.

thats why teh created scripts for tv and movies

 

[humbug]

There is another thing quite telling about mindsets, he's a massive Asus fan, Asus have been problematic of late, he even calls it out, discovered bad ram traces and so on....

And yet he still went with an Asus board, and then can't set Expo on his Ryzen system, we know that's Asus, but almost wants to blame the CPU knowing its the motherboaard, its a weird cognitive dissonance, he knows the Asus board he chose to use is bad, but used it anyway, because he loves Asus and then complains about experiencing problems he knew he would.

But "So i might switch to the Asrock Taichi, because i tested that and it was brilliant" Well.... Jay......

 

[humbug]

@srekal34

I've been running a Ryzen 5800X on a £165 Gigabyte motherboard for more than 3 years now, running all core 5Ghz and cheap 3200Mhz RAM OC'ed to 3800Mhz

Its been flawless, i've never had to touch it, its never put a foot wrong, its always smooth and snappy on the desktop, its doesn't stutter or grind when doing anything including scratching through large high res video files, gaming performance is great, it runs cool, it puts no heat in to the room.

The motherboard.

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The cheap RAM, i overclocked it to 3800 Mhz.

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[srekal34]

Thank you for the insight @humbug, I cant say I have not considered moving to either to 7800x3d or 7950x3d given the heat generated by 13900k (and excuse to tinker with pc )
I will give this a think!

 

[KompuKare]

Fascinating! Thanks for the link. Indeed I observed that exact behavior on 13900k, but did not think much of it.
Is 7950x3d exhibiting the same(the delay in loading files in explorer etc)?

Most of really don't pay too much attention to servers, but that's where Intel have been really badly beaten.
Firstly because they're designs are so power hungry and while an all E cores server might be okay for certain loads an all P cores is simply too power hungry and uses far too many transistors.

And secondly... wait for it... Because a few years ago some bean counter decided that they'd get rid of a huge amount of their server validation teams. Intel used to do huge amounts of validation, not any more.

Sapphire Rapids etc. had plenty of other problems and their 'core' cores aren't that competitive especially in terms of performance per transistor, but at least they used to do all that validation.

Now? Well nobody ever got fired for buying blue (Intel's not IBM's old blue), but I wonder how long they can coast on further glory?

 

[humbug]

AMD's currently server chip goes up to 96 cores 128 threads, these are full fat cores, 350 watts.

Just for funny's try to imagine a 96 P-Core monolithic Intel chip, 1000 watts and 1/4 the size of a typical 300mm wafer?

And this is why Intel are getting pummelled in the server space...

 

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I have been looking to buy some higher spec servers for work and the power usage on intel is terrible when trying to balance things. They also require a water cooler in a server which some places wont allow.

 

[SpudMaster]

There is another thing quite telling about mindsets, he's a massive Asus fan, Asus have been problematic of late, he even calls it out, discovered bad ram traces and so on....

And yet he still went with an Asus board, and then can't set Expo on his Ryzen system, we know that's Asus, but almost wants to blame the CPU knowing its the motherboaard, its a weird cognitive dissonance, he knows the Asus board he chose to use is bad, but used it anyway, because he loves Asus and then complains about experiencing problems he knew he would.

But "So i might switch to the Asrock Taichi, because i tested that and it was brilliant" Well.... Jay......

I havent't watched the videos you posted but I remember seeing a video of Jayz a while back when the burning AMD cpu's was a thing and he rejected Asus' sponsorship. He later did another video and used an Asus board but explained he's only using it simply because that's what he's got laying around from boards he's been sent by Asus in the past. Is that not just the case? Also regarding Expo, he probably doesn't know its the Asus board causing the issue because unfortunately a lot of tech Youtubers aren't as knowledgable as they like to make out.

 

[humbug]

I havent't watched the videos you posted but I remember seeing a video of Jayz a while back when the burning AMD cpu's was a thing and he rejected Asus' sponsorship. He later did another video and used an Asus board but explained he's only using it simply because that's what he's got laying around from boards he's been sent by Asus in the past. Is that not just the case? Also regarding Expo, he probably doesn't know its the Asus board causing the issue because unfortunately a lot of tech Youtubers aren't as knowledgable as they like to make out.

Ok sure.... i stand corrected

 

[Grim5]

Zen5 leaks:

15% IPC, 20% higher ST and 20% higher MT versus 7950x

Zen 5 has normal core and Zen 5c little cores. Big cores support up to 8 core CCx while little core are 16. Little cores only used for laptop HX models.

Preliminary specs for top end

Ryzen 8950x: 16 big cores, two CCX
Ryzen 8950hx: 24 cores, two CCX - 8 big cores, 16 little cores

Big core CCx built on TSMC 4nm.
Little core CCX built on TSMC 3nm.

launching 1st half 2024

Massive AMD Zen5 Leak Reveals 20% Single-Core Uplift, Sarlak 'Strix Halo' Achieves RX 6750 XT Levels of Performance at 95W-125W

RedGamingTech has dropped bombshells by revealing a large number of AMD Zen5 benchmarks, expressing serious confidence in team red for 2024.

appuals.com

 

[humbug]

Zen5 leaks:

15% IPC, 20% higher ST and 20% higher MT versus 7950x

Zen 5 has normal core and Zen 5c little cores. Big cores support up to 8 core CCx while little core are 16. Little cores only used for laptop HX models.

Preliminary specs for top end

Ryzen 8950x: 16 big cores, two CCX
Ryzen 8950hx: 24 cores, two CCX - 8 big cores, 16 little cores

Big core CCx built on TSMC 4nm.
Little core CCX built on TSMC 3nm.

launching 1st half 2024

Massive AMD Zen5 Leak Reveals 20% Single-Core Uplift, Sarlak 'Strix Halo' Achieves RX 6750 XT Levels of Performance at 95W-125W

RedGamingTech has dropped bombshells by revealing a large number of AMD Zen5 benchmarks, expressing serious confidence in team red for 2024.

appuals.com

So, R23:

8950X
2487 ST
46,389 MT

8950HX
------ ST
big number, MT

 

[pete910]

Zen 5 has normal core and Zen 5c little cores. Big cores support up to 8 core CCx while little core are 16. Little cores only used for laptop HX models.

Makes sense for the laptops due to power.

launching 1st half 2024

So, 30th of June then

15% IPC, 20% higher ST and 20% higher MT versus 7950x

One outlier I bet , rest will be 10% at best is my guess.

 

[jigger]

Zen5 leaks:

15% IPC, 20% higher ST and 20% higher MT versus 7950x

Zen 5 has normal core and Zen 5c little cores. Big cores support up to 8 core CCx while little core are 16. Little cores only used for laptop HX models.

Preliminary specs for top end

Ryzen 8950x: 16 big cores, two CCX
Ryzen 8950hx: 24 cores, two CCX - 8 big cores, 16 little cores

Big core CCx built on TSMC 4nm.
Little core CCX built on TSMC 3nm.

launching 1st half 2024

Massive AMD Zen5 Leak Reveals 20% Single-Core Uplift, Sarlak 'Strix Halo' Achieves RX 6750 XT Levels of Performance at 95W-125W

RedGamingTech has dropped bombshells by revealing a large number of AMD Zen5 benchmarks, expressing serious confidence in team red for 2024.

appuals.com

More pain heading Intels way by the looks of it. Plus 20% on AMD’s current leads pretty much puts Intel out of the market.

Is it now time for Intel to do the decent thing and license Zen from AMD?

 

[Twinz]

More pain heading Intels way by the looks of it. Plus 20% on AMD’s current leads pretty much puts Intel out of the market.

Is it now time for Intel to do the decent thing and license Zen from AMD?

There are still certain scenarios where Intel's approach works better than AMD. I use Topaz video AI and Intel CPU's cut rendering time a lot compared to AMD.

I have not personally encountered enough applications to make the switch myself, but they are out there. My primary use case is sim driving and the X3D stuff does very well for that. But if I used Topaz Video AI more, I would want Intel.

 

[jigger]

There are still certain scenarios where Intel's approach works better than AMD. I use Topaz video AI and Intel CPU's cut rendering time a lot compared to AMD.

I have not personally encountered enough applications to make the switch myself, but they are out there. My primary use case is sim driving and the X3D stuff does very well for that. But if I used Topaz Video AI more, I would want Intel.

Intel can’t support itself on being slightly faster in 1/100 niche applications while getting panned into next week in the other 99 for 3-4x the power use.

 

[srekal34]

Intel can’t support itself on being slightly faster in 1/100 niche applications while getting panned into next week in the other 99 for 3-4x the power use.

I dont know what universe you are from, but on earth zen is barely faster than intel on 125w:

And I would say TPU tests favour AMD a little, its easy to find less favourable results for AMD