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AMD Zen 6 rumours
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Could be huge but might be zen7 or zen8 seeing as zen6 is probably already in developmentThis looks like quite an interesting development, if it's used in Zen 6. Would result in lower latency to memory and between cores.
AMD Likely Abandons SERDES for Parallel Traces in Zen 6 Packaging
AMD seems to be rethinking how its future CPUs will move data between chiplets, and the first signs of this shift are showing up in Zen 6.Instead of using the familiar SERDES links, which serialize data into high-speed lanes, AMD appears to be moving toward a “sea-of-wires” approach.www.guru3d.com
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Is this really not coming until 2028?
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Supposedly next year for Zen 6.
Zen6 on AM5 was pretty much confirmed by AMD themselves ages ago though, wasn't it?
Some rumours have Zen7 on AM5 too. I guess that is all down to where AMD projects the price of DDR6 to be when Zen7 launches.
Servers may get it then but forcing consumer CPUs to do so is very risky and they hopefully learned some lession from AM5. That Intel ADL was available with DDR4 and DDR5 was a big selling point while DDR5 was far more expensive than DDR4. Irony being that with mainstream desktop Ryzen being chiplet + IOD it would have been easy for AMD to have made a DDR4 option for Zen4
I assume we are still in the position of AMD stating that they will continue to support the AM5 socket, and those boards will support future CPU's that are launched for it.
But, again I might have missed something official from AMD, I have not seen in noted that Zen6 will be released on the AM5 platform, no matter how likely that could seem.
Just as AMD continue to support and release CPU's for AM4, it might not mean that AM5 will get Zen 6, but AM5 should have other releases for it.
Anyone seen anything different from AMD, and not just rumours..?
But, again I might have missed something official from AMD, I have not seen in noted that Zen6 will be released on the AM5 platform, no matter how likely that could seem.
Just as AMD continue to support and release CPU's for AM4, it might not mean that AM5 will get Zen 6, but AM5 should have other releases for it.
Anyone seen anything different from AMD, and not just rumours..?
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It seems highly likely that Zen6 will be compatible with AM5 motherboards, which I think is what you're asking...
That is what as been rumoured for some time now. From a link above it shows MSI's reps response when asked, "future CPU ready".
With what is continuing with Intel and their 1851 probable single CPU revision socket, perhaps a refresh only incoming at some point, I would have liked to have read an AMD's announcement that AM5 existing motherboards would definitely support the up and coming Zen 6 CPU's. Although that article, take from it what you will, linked to certain design changes being made to some 800 series boards for possible compatibility with Zen 6.
If Zen 6 is due to appear next year, I suppose at some point, hopefully this year, AMD will make such an announcement. Then, at least, we might be better informed of such compatibility and its possible limitations.
Yeah its called AM4
The sea of wires concept is already used on Zen5 cpus (Strix Halo) and is hugely impressive.
Zen6 is a cpu architecture like Zen5. It requires interconnects between chiplets - either serdes or "sea of wires". Its not a major fabrication issue to produce both types.
The sea of wires is actually an additional layer on the substrate and is cutting edge, although Strix Halo has proved it can be made in volume.
The power saving from removing serdes is staggering. Basically you have a 9950X on Strix Halo which idles at 2-3W. If you look at the same desktop cpu it'll probably idle at 35W. That's the base power cost of serdes and all the timing/power issues it brings with it.
Strix Halo has worked as a proving ground for sure.
"Sea of wires" is the future which I find amusing as I'm old enough to remember when we had to serialise to prevent x-talk. What goes around....
Oh nice then, does sound very intriguing!The sea of wires concept is already used on Zen5 cpus (Strix Halo) and is hugely impressive.
Zen6 is a cpu architecture like Zen5. It requires interconnects between chiplets - either serdes or "sea of wires". Its not a major fabrication issue to produce both types.
The sea of wires is actually an additional layer on the substrate and is cutting edge, although Strix Halo has proved it can be made in volume.
The power saving from removing serdes is staggering. Basically you have a 9950X on Strix Halo which idles at 2-3W. If you look at the same desktop cpu it'll probably idle at 35W. That's the base power cost of serdes and all the timing/power issues it brings with it.
Strix Halo has worked as a proving ground for sure.
"Sea of wires" is the future which I find amusing as I'm old enough to remember when we had to serialise to prevent x-talk. What goes around....
Future looking good for AMD
"AMD’s anticipated Zen 6 architecture may not arrive until 2027, marking a significant shift from the company’s established release rhythm. Originally targeted for mid-2026, the Ryzen 11000 series could be facing a year-long delay attributed to changes in TSMC’s advanced node production plan."
www.guru3d.com
Oh apparently this source is MLID, so take with a pinch of salt.
TSMC N2X Node Slippage Could Impact AMD Zen 6 Timeline
AMD’s anticipated Zen 6 architecture may not arrive until 2027, marking a significant shift from the company’s established release rhythm. Originally targeted for mid-2026, the Ryzen 11000 series could be facing a year-long delay attributed to changes in TSMC’s advanced node production plan.
www.guru3d.com
Oh apparently this source is MLID, so take with a pinch of salt.
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I was, up until around a month ago fully invested in keeping my AM4 5800X3D setup until AM6 arrived.
However, The more I looked into AM6, possible delays plus never really going for a first adopter into a new socket (Prefer to wait until issues are ironed out) it had me thinking.
After seeing a member on here selling a 9700X for a good price, I decided to pull the trigger and jump ship to AM5, At least now I have an upgrade path if I require and likely will get another X3D chip down the line.
The swap from AM4 to AM5 cost me £148 so felt like a no brainer really.
I'm still interested in seeing what AM6 has to offer of course.
However, The more I looked into AM6, possible delays plus never really going for a first adopter into a new socket (Prefer to wait until issues are ironed out) it had me thinking.
After seeing a member on here selling a 9700X for a good price, I decided to pull the trigger and jump ship to AM5, At least now I have an upgrade path if I require and likely will get another X3D chip down the line.
The swap from AM4 to AM5 cost me £148 so felt like a no brainer really.
I'm still interested in seeing what AM6 has to offer of course.
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"AMD’s anticipated Zen 6 architecture may not arrive until 2027, marking a significant shift from the company’s established release rhythm. Originally targeted for mid-2026, the Ryzen 11000 series could be facing a year-long delay attributed to changes in TSMC’s advanced node production plan."
TSMC N2X Node Slippage Could Impact AMD Zen 6 Timeline
AMD’s anticipated Zen 6 architecture may not arrive until 2027, marking a significant shift from the company’s established release rhythm. Originally targeted for mid-2026, the Ryzen 11000 series could be facing a year-long delay attributed to changes in TSMC’s advanced node production plan.
Oh apparently this source is MLID, so take with a pinch of salt.
Maybe he's just jumping on the bandwagon because it's been expected for a while - both amd and Nvidia GPUs seem to only be 2027 too and it's what I've been predicting on this forum for several months now when I've stated that I believe 2026 will most likely be a dry year for hardware with no major new product releases
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AM6 is a long ways off if it's true that AM6 needs DDR6
SK hynix HBM roadmap teases HBM5, HBM5E, GDDR7-Next, DDR6, 400-layer 4D NAND in 2029-2031
SK hynix unveils its next-gen technology roadmap: includes HBM5, HBM5E, GDDR7-Next, DDR6, and 400+ layer NAND memory beyond 2029-2031.
www.tweaktown.com
Don't expect AM6 till 2029/2030 because according to this roadmap DDR6 won't be arriving till then
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That was what made me jump now whilst the resale value of the 5800X3D was still decent enough.AM6 is a long ways off if it's true that AM6 needs DDR6
SK hynix HBM roadmap teases HBM5, HBM5E, GDDR7-Next, DDR6, 400-layer 4D NAND in 2029-2031
SK hynix unveils its next-gen technology roadmap: includes HBM5, HBM5E, GDDR7-Next, DDR6, and 400+ layer NAND memory beyond 2029-2031.
Don't expect AM6 till 2029/2030
MLID info so that means they will announce them at CES 2026"AMD’s anticipated Zen 6 architecture may not arrive until 2027, marking a significant shift from the company’s established release rhythm. Originally targeted for mid-2026, the Ryzen 11000 series could be facing a year-long delay attributed to changes in TSMC’s advanced node production plan."
TSMC N2X Node Slippage Could Impact AMD Zen 6 Timeline
AMD’s anticipated Zen 6 architecture may not arrive until 2027, marking a significant shift from the company’s established release rhythm. Originally targeted for mid-2026, the Ryzen 11000 series could be facing a year-long delay attributed to changes in TSMC’s advanced node production plan.
Oh apparently this source is MLID, so take with a pinch of salt.
Well, this could throw wrench into AMD's gears for x3D CPUs, including Zen 6. Even if nothing gets slowed down much, pricing (because of possible settlement and licensing) could be affected and go up again.
www.tomshardware.com
AMD hit with lawsuit over hybrid bonding tech behind potent 3D V-Cache — Adeia claims company's gaming chip infringes 10 of its patents
The IP firm claims AMD’s stacked cache relies on its patented bonding methods.
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