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*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***
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Soldato
And yet people rave when Intel's biased figures show huge 4% increases in performance.
Actually I'm pretty sure a lot of people complain incessantly about 4% increases. Mainly gamers who don't understand that Intel's aims, much like AMD's at the moment, are to secure the server space (or gain in AMD's case) and that for this, you need power improvements and useful little features like virtualization extensions, not gaining an extra 10fps out of a game that already runs at 60+fps.
Soldato
Sure - I'm just saying I think it was poorly worded rather than wrong.
As to this event, nobody should take it as the be all and end all and it will certainly play to Zen's strengths whatever they may be. I'm looking forward to the event, however. I want as much to see what they don't say as what they do.
Caporegime
And yet people rave when Intel's biased figures show huge 4% increases in performance.
Do they?
All I see is flack
Caporegime
Intel do get flack for that and so they should.
They get flack here but most big website reviews are often very positive about Intel's new chips every year. "It's slightly better and still expensive...9.5/10!" My main point was more that Intel obviously also bias their suite of tests to favour performance numbers, yet they still end up being miniscule.
Caporegime
Intels architecture is so far ahead, my problem isn't with the meagre core for core increase. But they should have adjusted the product tiers by now. They did to an extent with the 5820. But then the pound is crap etc.
But it Intel did shift their tiers it'd ruin AMD. So if Zen is good, that might end up having the knock on effect required.
But it Intel did shift their tiers it'd ruin AMD. So if Zen is good, that might end up having the knock on effect required.
Caporegime
I can't remember the last time anyone posted Intel performance slides to show gains
You also can't give the product anything but a stellar review if performance increases, given they're adding more to the gulf of performance advantage they already have.
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Soldato
The tiers make sense if you understand marketing. A lot of people look at the sudden sharp jump towards the upper end and think it doesn't make sense - that it's out of all proportion to the gain you actually get. But that's not the point. There are two categories of customer when it comes to people who buy chips for home builds. There are the people who are budget constrained or otherwise careful with their money. And there are those who are (effectively) not. The first category may or may not buy a chip at a given price point depending on what that price point is. The second category just open up a web browser and click buy on whatever is the high-end.
If you want to maximise profits you have a carefully thought out pricing tier that relates to value; and then you slap on a high priced shiny one at the top for the people who don't think about money.
Intel aren't stupid. Short-sighted sometimes, abusers of market dominance not infrequently. But stupid? No - they know how to make money.
Caporegime
Well that's the thing, Intel can't just change their tiers because of the market.
Intels low end entry stuff is absolutely fine, but it's when we get to the i3, that's become too much for what it is, that should be an entry level quad core by now.
Performance has to get cheaper, or else there's no progression.
Intels low end entry stuff is absolutely fine, but it's when we get to the i3, that's become too much for what it is, that should be an entry level quad core by now.
Performance has to get cheaper, or else there's no progression.
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Can you blame them?
Can you blame them?
TBH for me id be ok with 1 or 2 comparisons with the top end Intel chips, I am more interested in official pricing for the top tier consumer part.
If they get the pricing right but sit under the very top of the Intel tree WRT performance they will still have a good selling chip on their hand.
They need to be targeting i7-6700k i5-6600k prices/performance rather than the i7-6800k
Seems dumb to change the name after years of people hearing the codename but I guess the vast majority of their consumer base won't have heard of Zen either so it won't make a difference. Maybe Zen+ will be TyZen or something.
In terms of price, the weak pound and early supply shortages pushing up prices worries me more than what AMD will set their headline dollar prices to be.
In terms of price, the weak pound and early supply shortages pushing up prices worries me more than what AMD will set their headline dollar prices to be.
Soldato
Makes sense since RX is used for the graphics cards.
what I'd like to see from Zen is a chip that just about matches the i7 4790, 4 core 8 thread 3.6 ish ghz similar IPC, for around about £200 to £250. Not going to be breaking records or making headlines, but is right in the sweet spot for most gaming and at that price would make it super competitive.
It's not dumb it's stoopid (not to be confused with stupid, this is much worse).
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What's the top-end ZEN if anyone knows ? And any with 32+ PCI-E 3.0 lanes ?