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*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***
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Ryzen is meant to be an SOC IIRC,so most likely motherboards should be reasonably price IMHO OFC.
I watched the presentation last night.
Seemed OK but no big surprises. 16 thread chip does well in benchmarks and games known to favour multi-threaded chips...
AMD FX8.... and FX9.... series chips were already competing with i7s in BF1. It's not really surprising than Ryzen also does well, especially given the game was running at 4k. I'd like to see some results where AMD has traditionally taken a hammering. Something like the Total War series (that's heavily reliant on single threaded performance, or at least strong performance on a couple of cores).
My interest is more in some of those 4 core 8 thread chips. I'm hoping they'll hit i3 level prices (while the platform will allow a nice 8/16 update later). Also the potential to push some i5 and maybe i7s down into a lower cost segment due to competition.
Seemed OK but no big surprises. 16 thread chip does well in benchmarks and games known to favour multi-threaded chips...
AMD FX8.... and FX9.... series chips were already competing with i7s in BF1. It's not really surprising than Ryzen also does well, especially given the game was running at 4k. I'd like to see some results where AMD has traditionally taken a hammering. Something like the Total War series (that's heavily reliant on single threaded performance, or at least strong performance on a couple of cores).
My interest is more in some of those 4 core 8 thread chips. I'm hoping they'll hit i3 level prices (while the platform will allow a nice 8/16 update later). Also the potential to push some i5 and maybe i7s down into a lower cost segment due to competition.
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All CPUs these days could be called SoCs, with the amount of support components that have been brought onboard.
Manufacturers price to price points - expect high end to be eye watering and el-cheapo to be cheap
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Yeah that's a good valid point Cat.
I had £2k stashed for a rebuild, to replace mobo, cpu, ram, cooler, gpu. I bought a 1070 recently so that leaves me with approx £1600 for a Zen setup if it's decent, also I will flog my 1070 for Vega so any savings on the mobo will be welcomed.
If they are coming Q1 2017, then it shouldn't be too long til we see actual reviews and get prices and release dates I would imagine?
I think if I had £2k I still wouldn't buy a GSync monitor or nVidia GPU.
Had lots of nVidia GPUs in the past but their stance on not supporting FreeSync really puts me off, and of course AMD have nothing to offer above the 1080p bracket until Vega (hopefully), so I don't see much reason to upgrade right now.
Had lots of nVidia GPUs in the past but their stance on not supporting FreeSync really puts me off, and of course AMD have nothing to offer above the 1080p bracket until Vega (hopefully), so I don't see much reason to upgrade right now.
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Only bought a 1070 because I bought a 27" 1440p 144hz Freesync screen and my 290 was starting to show its age in The Division and a few other titles, plus I wanted a new whiney, so figured I would try out the 1070 while I wait for Vega. Believe me as soon as AMD have a card that competes with at minimum the 1070 it's coming out of my rig and an AMD card is going back in lol.
Same with my Haswell CPU, as soon as AMD have a chip that offers at minimum the same performance I'm swapping back to AMD. Right now if RyZen matches my 4770k I will swap jus for more cores.
Same with my Haswell CPU, as soon as AMD have a chip that offers at minimum the same performance I'm swapping back to AMD. Right now if RyZen matches my 4770k I will swap jus for more cores.
both machines used titan x cards and ryzen still outperformed the 6900k and beat the 6900k in handbrake and blender, also destroyed the 6700k with dota streaming..... whats misleading about that?
dont forget the state of the art neural net prediction.
haters gotta hate!
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Fair enough. What monitor did you get? I was looking for a 27", 1440p, 120+ Hz, IPS monitor and only found two in existence. They use the same panel and are frequently out of stock or sold for inflated prices (£450+).
It'll be nice to see an AMD CPU outperform my Xeon. Right now the only real "upgrade" path (if you consider going from 6 to 4 cores a downgrade) is X99 and that would be over £550 just for the motherboard and CPU. A 6-core Ryzen in an AM4 board should theoretically be a lot cheaper. Not sure if I'd bother going to 8 cores since I'm betting it'll be fairly expensive to do so, particularly if the earlier rumours of only a single SKU in each tier being overclockable are true.
Not so sure about that, the masses certainly wouldn't be watching a prerelease teaser that is only broadcast on the web on an individual Computer part. this whole stream was purely for the enthusiast.
The coverage the news websites will show is more for the masses and most of them will put their own spin on it and just show the official AMD slides.
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Bought the BenQ panel, can't remember the model name but it's the one everyone recommends lol
Something I was thinking of is the larger Intel chips like 6900k etc are clocked lower than the 6700k types, is this something that AMD will also do? It could be then that the 6 core versions will actually higher IPC and potentially faster? So many unknowns lol.
We are still in the infancy of DX12 and software and games really benefitting from more cores tho right? But still tempted to just get the 8/16 version just to have that extra power on tap should something be able to utilise it.
When do people think we will see solid pricing and release info on RyZen? It's going to be next year but when? Q1 2017 is rapidly approaching and it's not a huge window of time
All 403 who watched it.
A lot of them are journalists not at the event.
Isn't this the point, the news websites who then report to the masses. the few hundred enthusiasts who tuned in are not the ones AMD are targeting with this,
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The start of the stream was over 4,000
Ok, i literally just looked at total views for the stream, i clicked on the wrong link, this is the correct one, oddly it says 1105 total views.
https://www.twitch.tv/amd/v/107255320
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The likelihood is it's not the same link, or does it make a new one for "uploaded" videos? I don't know. I watched it live with thousands and thousands of people though.
The SKUs with more cores will be clocked lower for sure. IPC will be the same though since it's the same architecture, unlike Intel which uses an architecture that is a generation behind for their 6+ core chips.
If the 8 core can clock to 4 GHz, the 6 core might get to 4.4 GHz or something, assuming heat is the major limiting factor.