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Oh please not the windows needs patching stuff, that was a defence of bulldozer.
Just put no faith in the article instead, far more logical.
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*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***
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Oh please not the windows needs patching stuff, that was a defence of bulldozer.
Just put no faith in the article instead, far more logical.
It does need patching, Zen is AMD's first SMT based CPU. Windows will not know how to properly distribute the threads since it is an unknown CPU.
They had to patch windows to fully support HyperThreading, although windows was Multicore and Multiprocessor aware at the time.
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Missed the overall point but nevermind.
It's a crap article, that's all it has to be be.
People have mentioned bulldozer and history. And it just repeated itself when windows needs patching came up.
It's a crap article, that's all it has to be be.
People have mentioned bulldozer and history. And it just repeated itself when windows needs patching came up.
Well it is another reason why it makes sense that only windows 10 will fully support Zen based processors. Since it will be the only O/S that they patch the Task scheduler to support/Recognise Zen's SMT.
So if someone were to test a Zen engineering sample with a public build of windows, the performance will probably be lower due to lacking correct SMT support.
So if someone were to test a Zen engineering sample with a public build of windows, the performance will probably be lower due to lacking correct SMT support.
Bulldozer did get a patch though (although it only provided single digit gains in certain circumstances)
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5448/the-bulldozer-scheduling-patch-tested
It's not entirely unexpected for there to need to be a patch for a new implementation of SMT. Yes they will likely just show up as extra cores and work, but there has to be some extra logic to help distribute threads to processor resources dependant on workload (and this logic may be completely different to Intel's)
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I know bulldozer got a patch, and it was still crap 
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It was just funny seeing the exact same thing as a result of a disappointing result. When in this case it's far more likely the results are just fake.
.It was just funny seeing the exact same thing as a result of a disappointing result. When in this case it's far more likely the results are just fake.
According to that a 16 thread Zen is only about 20% faster than an 8 core AMD Piledriver, or the same performance as an 8 core Excavator.
If these Chinese leaks had said "Zen didn't do quite as well in Fritz Chess and Cinebench as it did in Blender and Handbreak" i might have said yeah ok, but the fact that this Chinese leak is saying Zen has 0 improvement over its last generation CPU's i think speaks volumes, isn't this also the same guy who leaked the RX 480 as being faster than a Maxwell Titian-X?
I'm also curious to know if you believe this?
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Lol Athlon is a well known Anti AMD poster, not suprised he dredged up this piece of sterling journalism hahah...
I remember the 480 stuff coming from China, they made out like the card was going to bring world peace.
Well, i don't usually save posts from this forum to quote back later but this one, this is one that i will be saving, its so obviously cack its beyond funny that it was quoted here with a straight face.
Any and all wccf links need to come with a disclaimer, they are the Ruperts gutter red tops of the net, i bet he reads those too and without a sense of irony.
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I don't know why anyone would be rooting for AMD to fail. Even if you're a massive Intel fanboy, it would be great news for the CPU market if Ryzen turns out to be competitive performance-wise and undercut Intel in terms of cost.
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After reading that Eteknix 7700k review im even more interested in Zen now... seems the new Intel Chip is not much better than the 6700k.
Having this nagging feeling now though that AMD Will price Zen stupidly, they always seem to much these things up, the markets ripe for them to sieze share if the Ryzen has the performance, they just need a good pricing strategy.
Having this nagging feeling now though that AMD Will price Zen stupidly, they always seem to much these things up, the markets ripe for them to sieze share if the Ryzen has the performance, they just need a good pricing strategy.
No they don't, Eteknix just copied wccf or wccf copied Eteknix, which ever way round it was they got the results from a Chinese guy who claims to have one, the same thing happened with the Polaris GPU, some Chinese guy claimed he had one and started throwing benchmarks out there with 3DMark results higher than a 980TI.
I'm surprised they learned nothing from that.
Disclaimer from Eteknix.
http://www.eteknix.com/leaked-amd-ryzen-benchmarks-reveal-performance/
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