*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***

[Mei]

Whose they?

erm the person you were replying to

 

[Harlequin]

No they don't, Eteknix just copied wccf or wccf copied Eteknix, which ever way round it was they got the results from a Chinese guy who claims to have one, the same thing happened with the Polaris GPU, some Chinese guy claimed he had one and started throwing benchmarks out there with 3DMark results higher than a 980TI.

I'm surprised they learned nothing from that.

Disclaimer from Eteknix.

http://www.eteknix.com/leaked-amd-ryzen-benchmarks-reveal-performance/

http://www.eteknix.com/intel-core-i7-7700k-kaby-lake-processor-review/6/

erm - I was replying about the 7700k.... so shoo

 

[Besty]

eteknix have a retail cpu so not covered by nda

If it was a retail CPU, the leaker would have shown us the CPUZ and the Cinebench system info.

Because the leaker is under NDA (probably a MB manufacturer or SI) they ommited to show the full screenshot because, hey who knows what created the benchmark.

My guess is that the scores are real but the Ryzen CPU is a running base clock and no boost.

 

[~>Dg<~]

well if you know what cpus score what the ryzen is okay but slower than a 5820k and 6800 at 4.0ghz

 

[Harlequin]

If it was a retail CPU, the leaker would have shown us the CPUZ and the Cinebench system info.

Because the leaker is under NDA (probably a MB manufacturer or SI) they ommited to show the full screenshot because, hey who knows what created the benchmark.

My guess is that the scores are real but the Ryzen CPU is a running base clock and no boost.

again - I am commenting on the i7 7700k - which I have said above your post

 

[opethdisciple]

All this chat about Windows needing patching.... Remember the OS they used for the recent presentation was Win 10.

 

[Orangey]

The lies go deeper. They made up the Chinese guy.

They are literally a bunch of kids posting bs from basements acting like they're a real news site. Fake it til you make it.

 

[~>Dg<~]

not much difference that most of the thread.no one knows anything at all.all we seen a is half a benchmark from blender.

 

[SiDeards73]

Windows 10 is the only Microsoft OS that will support RyZen, non server OS of course. Anyone on Win 8.1 or previous needs to upgrade. Same goes for Kabylake

 

[Mauller]

All this chat about Windows needing patching.... Remember the OS they used for the recent presentation was Win 10.

They will not have been using a public build of windows. It would have had Ryzen support patched into it for their own internal testing etc.

 

[jigger]

Windows 10 is the only Microsoft OS that will support RyZen, non server OS of course. Anyone on Win 8.1 or previous needs to upgrade. Same goes for Kabylake

Doubtful.

 

[Harlequin]

Doubtful.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3112...e-zen-chips-will-support-only-windows-10.html

AMD and Intel, for their part, appear to have had little choice in Microsoft’s decision essentially to*limit the customers they can sell to.
“We are committed to working with Microsoft and our ecosystem partners to help ensure a smooth transition given these changes to Microsoft’s Windows support policy,” an Intel spokesman said.
"No, Intel will not be updating Win 7/8 drivers for 7th Gen Intel Core per Microsoft’s support policy change," he added in an email on Tuesday.
An AMD representative was equally neutral. “AMD’s processor roadmap is fully aligned with Microsoft’s software strategy,” AMD chief technical officer Mark Papermaster said, via a company spokeswoman.*

 

[humbug]

http://www.eteknix.com/intel-core-i7-7700k-kaby-lake-processor-review/6/

erm - I was replying about the 7700k.... so shoo

'Shoo'

Why the 7700K?

No one is disputing the 7700K or even talking about it, thats completely out of place, this is a thread about Zen, nothing to do with the 7700K.

I like Cheese.

 

[Harlequin]

After reading that Eteknix 7700k review im even more interested in Zen now... seems the new Intel Chip is not much better than the 6700k.

Having this nagging feeling now though that AMD Will price Zen stupidly, they always seem to much these things up, the markets ripe for them to sieze share if the Ryzen has the performance, they just need a good pricing strategy.

'Shoo'

Why the 7700K?

No one is disputing the 7700K or even talking about it, thats completely out of place.

I like Cheese.

<3

 

[jigger]

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3112...e-zen-chips-will-support-only-windows-10.html

So doubtful you will need Windows 10

 

[Harlequin]

So doubtful you will need Windows 10

`unknown cpu` and no support in windows 7 or 8....

 

[jigger]

`unknown cpu` and no support in windows 7 or 8....

Did you read the article?

 

[drunkenmaster]

Did you read the article?

Support is one thing, he did use the word support, and simply working.

If you are running windows and have trouble running an application, or if your unsupported chip keeps crashing in a single application support is what you'd look for and you'd get none. They'll tell you, we'll help you find the bug with your program and our device, if you upgrade to a supported platform.

Most CPUs support instruction sets that have been around for ages, the newer faster instructions won't be supported on super old platforms but a modern day AMD/Intel chip would work on several generations older versions of windows, maybe just not well.

Zen/Sky/Kaby should almost certainly work on something like Win 7, Vista, maybe XP, but they won't get any official support. So if there is some errata they want to fix via driver/windows rather than through microcode, it won't make it into anything but Windows 10.

 

[pete910]

Windows 10 is the only Microsoft OS that will support RyZen, non server OS of course. Anyone on Win 8.1 or previous needs to upgrade. Same goes for Kabylake

Or use Linux

Support for both Intel and AMD chips are in iirc

 

[ubersonic]

This is also true, just renewed licensing and upgraded some SQL Enterprise Servers, the cost made me wince, its all per core so we moved them to smaller hosts to lessen the cost lol

It's actually comical that when we eventually upgrade the version of SQL on our job management box the machine is also going to be upgraded from a 2x E5420 machine to a 1x E3-1220 machine in order to save money lol.