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*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***
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That is interesting, and the questions at the end, with Intel returning for more than one line of questioning.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ln9WKPEHm4w#t=01h26m35s
Windows 10 makes Windows 7 and 8 look like a child's toy OS.
The amount of work done under the hood is really impressive and brings it in line with Linux in terms of kernel in many respects.
I could'nt thing worse than building a shiny new Ryzen/Vega/Nvme based rig and sticking Windows 7 or 8 on it !
The amount of work done under the hood is really impressive and brings it in line with Linux in terms of kernel in many respects.
I could'nt thing worse than building a shiny new Ryzen/Vega/Nvme based rig and sticking Windows 7 or 8 on it !
Alright Bill
.Unless I've missed it I haven't seen a valid reason why 7+ can't support the new ones with all the features(I've probably missed it).
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Win 10 is a great OS. At work PC is a Win 7 machine and it really does feel antiquated in comparison.
Alright Bill
Unless I've missed it I haven't seen a valid reason why 7+ can't support the new ones with all the features(I've probably missed it).
Whilst you can put drivers onto a Win7 system to make it work with cutting edge hardware, the behaviours coded into the OS change over time.
You could, I'm sure, install XP onto an SSD. But you wouldn't want to. XP doesn't understand how SSDs work, whereas a modern OS (7+ according to this: http://www.hanselman.com/blog/TheRealAndCompleteStoryDoesWindowsDefragmentYourSSD.aspx) treat SSDs differently to mechanical.
That kind of thing. Paring modern hardware with a (relatively) old OS is not going to result in the most optimised system.
I'm not W10's biggest fan, btw. I liked some thing from W7 more. But at some point we all have to move on. And W10 certainly isn't all bad. It has its moments!
I think that integrating spyware and a rootkit into an OS is unlikely to be mostly about security. I think it's about data gathering and controlling a platform, since those are the purposes it serves. Bulk collection of personal data by a business is profitable, since it can be sold to advertisers. Closing down an open platform and giving one business control over it is very profitable unless it destroys the platform entirely.
If wishes were horses and all that.
Most game developers don't really want to make games for PCs at all. The chance of them making PC games for 2 OSes is tiny, especially when the market for games on one of them is at best uncertain. Then there's all the complaints they'd get from people who bought the wrong version. It's not reasonable to complain that the Windows version doesn't run on Linux or vice versa, but people would. I think it's fair to say that most people wouldn't even know which version they were running.
How many people here have had a conversation like this?
Someone else: "My computer has gone funny".
You: "Is there an error message?"
Them: "I don't know."
You: "Do you know what operating system you're using?"
Them, uncertainly: "....the internet?"
You: "It's probably a version of Windows. Do you know which version?"
Them, pleased at remembering: "Internet Explorer!".
I think Linux could be around another 20 years and still not understand what "user friendly" means.
User-friendliness just seems to be at odds with the people contributing the code, who are most likely engineers/tech specialists, rather than experts in human behaviour. I'm pretty sure a good UI design needs someone who doesn't think like an engineer.
User-friendliness just seems to be at odds with the people contributing the code, who are most likely engineers/tech specialists, rather than experts in human behaviour. I'm pretty sure a good UI design needs someone who doesn't think like an engineer.
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There is of course one thing AMD can do which would really hurt Intel. That's make the AM4 platform compatible with their next chip.
Tough thing to do, but if AMD came out and said that the AM4 boards will support what comes next guaranteed imagine how many of you would find that incredibly attractive!!
Tough thing to do, but if AMD came out and said that the AM4 boards will support what comes next guaranteed imagine how many of you would find that incredibly attractive!!
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haha I had that for a while. Painful times - so many more challenges than just using 32-bit for so little reward.
Still on win 7 on my main machine cause it works well. My windows 10 laptop is annoying even after using it for a year - it may be the newer OS but it's still got a lot of work to do in making it a single seamless experience not two OSs stuck together. It's leaps and bounds better than 8 was so they're on the right track, and I'm pretty excited about having a decentish bash shell available so I'm sure it will in time become my preferred OS.
Linux... meh. It's fun for me as an enthusiast but can't imagine ever getting to the point of wanting to help my mum & dad etc switch.
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Agreed... I never bonded with Linux for this reason.
There is a mindset that thinks command line is user friendly, because it's fast, powerful, and unrestrictive. Which is true, but you do also have to learn a book of arcane incantations in order to use it. "Pick up axe" and so forth. Which is fine, if you're interested, but most people aren't.
Linux is built by thinkers, they love to have knowledge, so they make their OS to match that ethos - and alienate Joe Average who wants important features to be guessable and intuitive. Non-techies have 'better things to do' than learn the OS. They just want to go online, print a document, play games, and use their software tools, and there are few things worse than the feeling that the OS is obstructing them from doing those things.
Recent Fedora looks OK (not used Linux in several years though so not kept up with happenings)... 
ArsTechnica review
ArsTechnica review
Great example of open source mentality:
I have been trying qBittorrent lately and thought it would be nice if it had more fine-grained file priorities like uTorrent. Upon googling I stumble upon a feature request and find the author arguing with the requesters because "it's not in libtorrent and you shouldn't use weighting anyway".
Also listening to hotchips, "we don't believe it adds any latency". Not asking you to go on faith here chum.
I have been trying qBittorrent lately and thought it would be nice if it had more fine-grained file priorities like uTorrent. Upon googling I stumble upon a feature request and find the author arguing with the requesters because "it's not in libtorrent and you shouldn't use weighting anyway".
Also listening to hotchips, "we don't believe it adds any latency". Not asking you to go on faith here chum.
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qBittorrent is a GUI for a libtorrent backend, so what he said is correct. It's something that would need taking up with the parent project, i.e. libtorrent.
Alright Bill
Unless I've missed it I haven't seen a valid reason why 7+ can't support the new ones with all the features(I've probably missed it).
Its commercial software which was released 7 years ago and its not worth the money to patch the kernel just for the PC, if it were running on mobile then we would have seen Win7 patched.
As Windows 10 uses a next-gen micro-kernel which can be compiled to run on any device it makes more easier and more sense to support this kernel instead.
If it were a dog, Windows 7 would have been shot upon Windows 10's release as it has large amounts of kernel baggage that date back to NT 3.5.
Win10 operates much more like Linux/UNIX now and thats a good thing.
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Pricing on 7700K looks like £350+ in the UK. Intel have officially gone insane. £350 for an overclocked renamed 6700K..
Plz shake up the CPU market AMD xD
I am bowing out for a couple years and sticking with my current CPU / Mobo / Ram. Will jump back in when pricing either settles or can I get a worthy upgrade for that kinda money. Maybe by 2020
Leaves me some more money for those extortionate GPU prices over next couple of years ...
Plz shake up the CPU market AMD xD
I am bowing out for a couple years and sticking with my current CPU / Mobo / Ram. Will jump back in when pricing either settles or can I get a worthy upgrade for that kinda money. Maybe by 2020
Leaves me some more money for those extortionate GPU prices over next couple of years ...
They're milking it while they still can / Making hay while the sun shines. They'll be well under £200 in a few months.
nope it wont be
+1... Intel would only lower the price by anything even close to that amount if AMD gained a significant sales share from them, that is only possible if a significant number of Intel enthusiasts switched to AMD.
So its not happening.