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*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***

jigger said:
AMD's reputation is solid. They own the console market, lead the way in the graphics graphics and even with a tiny budget seem to have pulled off the impossible with Zen.
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Awww come on man, im a self confessed AMD fanboy and even i wouldnt say what you said lol.

Yep they have the console market sewn up, nope they do not lead the GPU market, yep they have more share if you count console's alongside their discreet cards, but i think we both know Nvidia have a bigger bite of the discreet market currently.

I will say that AMD lead the way with forward thinking when it comes to GPU's however, its a gamble thats starting to pay off for them with DX12 / Vulkan and could well see them dominate in the future if Nvidia does not start gearing towards putting in hardware to tackle this, thats one of the main reasons Nvidia is more efficient, as they cull a lot of the hardware AMD have on board as they dont need it (hence no hardware level support for some DX12 functions from Nvidia that AMD have etc and why AMD use more power overall but thats another story)

And with regards to RyZen, we only know what we have been shown so far, while it looks extremely impressive and im aboard the hype train with many others, we have yet to see Boost clocks in action, we have yet to see lower tier cpu's, we have yet to see how their SenseMI stuff really works, we have yet to see how the chips self OC With different cooling involved etc, there are still a lot of unknowns, but what we have seen is extremely positive.

I am just a bit more wary about what they have coming until i see more info, bit like the Vega cards, i have a Freesync screen so im going Vega anyhow, and i have a 1070 so as long as whatever they bring matches that performance its all good for me, anything above that is a bonus :)
 
jigger said:
AMD's reputation is solid. They own the console market, lead the way in the graphics graphics and even with a tiny budget seem to have pulled off the impossible with Zen.
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I'd love to see poll of console owners and how many actually KNOW their console has AMD inside it lol! VERY small percentage I bet.

It's not so much about their ability as the PERCEPTION of their ability and recognition from the (below) average consumer. This is the problem they have. Even my mum has heard of Intel and she doesn't even know how to restart her laptop.
 
SiDeards73 said:
So it seems CanardPC have pretty much confirmed 5GHZ on Air, on one core only though ;)

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/5l33or/canard_pc_confirms_5_ghz_ryzen_oc_only_on_1_core/

Still, for an A0 sample it seems impressive, maybe we will see 4.4+ on all cores a reality for RyZen 8/16?
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Looking at the test board power regs i'm surprised the board didn't pop and melt. It's still too early to say and still no answers on voltage scaling.
Would be nice to see all 8cores @ 4ghz.

edit hang on does that socket say 754 lol, ok the pic is of old hammer lol
 
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Davedree said:
Looking at the test board power regs i'm surprised the board didn't pop and melt. It's still too early to say and still no answers on voltage scaling.
Would be nice to see all 8cores @ 4ghz.

edit hang on does that socket say 754 lol, ok the pic is of old hammer lol
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Think that pic is illustrating the fact they broke previous AMD info early, years before :)
 
i can remember last amd cpu that did 5ghz posted in here by mr gibbo himself on launch. one on here did 5ghz. one. that also didnt last either and was rmad ;)

so this just means usual hype.

actual benchmarks please.
 
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SiDeards73 said:
...the whole Bulldozer etc thing went down like a lead balloon, and they added insult to injury by pricing it insanely at release also.
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AMD need to break current perception of their brand and re-establish themselves in the CPU market as a serious competitor to Intel.
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Said it better than I did :)

I really, honestly want AMD to come out with a cracking success story that whups Intel into 2nd place for a while, and if they do, I'll buy one because my rig is getting old and tired. But... water under the bridge... many promises that didn't deliver. I need real data from real people doing real things with off-the-shelf units before I can trust them, and there's a lot of people out there going to feel the same way.

If they ask the same price for the same performance... I just won't be bothered.
 
SiDeards73 said:
Awww come on man, im a self confessed AMD fanboy and even i wouldnt say what you said lol.

Yep they have the console market sewn up, nope they do not lead the GPU market, yep they have more share if you count console's alongside their discreet cards, but i think we both know Nvidia have a bigger bite of the discreet market currently.

I will say that AMD lead the way with forward thinking when it comes to GPU's however, its a gamble thats starting to pay off for them with DX12 / Vulkan and could well see them dominate in the future if Nvidia does not start gearing towards putting in hardware to tackle this, thats one of the main reasons Nvidia is more efficient, as they cull a lot of the hardware AMD have on board as they dont need it (hence no hardware level support for some DX12 functions from Nvidia that AMD have etc and why AMD use more power overall but thats another story)

And with regards to RyZen, we only know what we have been shown so far, while it looks extremely impressive and im aboard the hype train with many others, we have yet to see Boost clocks in action, we have yet to see lower tier cpu's, we have yet to see how their SenseMI stuff really works, we have yet to see how the chips self OC With different cooling involved etc, there are still a lot of unknowns, but what we have seen is extremely positive.

I am just a bit more wary about what they have coming until i see more info, bit like the Vega cards, i have a Freesync screen so im going Vega anyhow, and i have a 1070 so as long as whatever they bring matches that performance its all good for me, anything above that is a bonus :)
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If it wasn't for AMD we would still be doomed by DX11. AMD are leading the field in graphics. Sure 20nm was hold up but AMD are on the smallest node and 3rd or 4th generation of DX12/Vulcan hardware.
 
jigger said:
If it wasn't for AMD we would still be doomed by DX11. AMD are leading the field in graphics. Sure 20nm was hold up but AMD are on the smallest node and 3rd or 4th generation of DX12/Vulcan hardware.
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Yep exactly as i said in what you quoted, AMD lead the way with forward thinking.... no one is disputing this.
 
8 Pack said:
Really so much speculative stuff in here.

Did any of you guys try Zen??

As always I say those who know cant comment.

Wait and see..................
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C'mon, what d you expect us to do? We just going to wait here in silence until the official release date and not speculate on rumours / leeks etc? That's not going to happen lol
 
Its easy for you to say mr 8 pack, but the rest of us have to make do with whatever "info" we can get.

This is probably the most highly anticipated CPU launch for 5 years or so, so to ask the CPU section of overclockers to leave the discussions to the privileged few who get to have a play early it is nuts!
 
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