*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***

[humbug]

Have a look in the 7700K 7Ghz thread, 8Pack is pretty busy in there...

 

[SiDeards73]

That trade thread is Intel chips, as above 8Pack has been busy mentioning they are going to be doing 8Pack custom bundles etc for it

 

[Martini1991]

Have a look in the 7700K 7Ghz thread, 8Pack is pretty busy in there...

But that doesn't really amount to hype.
8 Pack isn't a conventional user.

 

[humbug]

But that doesn't really amount to hype.
8 Pack isn't a conventional user.

I guess not, tho he is promoting it, thats his job, they will need promoting because 2017 Intel tax will have them getting closer to £400, a ridiculous amount of money for a 2006 format CPU.

 

[Martini1991]

I guess not, tho he is promoting it, thats his job, they will need promoting because 2017 Intel tax will have them getting closer to £400, a ridiculous amount of money for a 2006 format CPU.

Your posts about the pricing really annoy me, because they're pretty much flat out biased.
It's not Intels fault the UK decided to tank its economy, they don't really control retailers UK pricing given it's dollar pricing, and can be seen from places like US Amazon what it can be bought at.

If there's a genuine dollar price rise on the chips, then fair enough. But up until now the dollar pricing has been consistent for years.

 

[benjii]

5GHZ benchmarks aren't the same as a stable 5GHZ 24/7 clock.

It was pretty obvious what he was getting at.
But meh, why try to bring any sense to the AMD hype train. All aboard.

Ding ding ding, we have a winner! I'd love for 5Ghz stable to be true, but in reality, it'll most likely be a minority that can achieve that. I'm fairly sure it said it was only 1 core at 5GHz too or that may have been a different report. My 6700k can do a 5Ghz benchmark (sometimes), it crashes when loading Chrome though.

 

[Jokester]

So presumably 4.2-4.4GHz (maybe a bit more) can be realistically expected 24/7.

 

[humbug]

Your posts about the pricing really annoy me.
It's not Intels fault the UK decided to tank its economy.

If there's a genuine dollar price rise on the chips, then fair enough. But up until now the dollar pricing has been consistent for years.

No but the 17.5% Tax in our 20% is the EU's doing, the rest is Mr Osborn's collage education level Economic Policy, the best thing Mrs May did to date was sack that buffon.

Besides that Intel are expensive whereever you go, i am addressing Intels pricing structure, not Brexit.

PS: i voted remain, if i had to do it again i'll vote leave.

 

[Martini1991]

So presumably 4.2-4.4GHz (maybe a bit more) can be realistically expected 24/7.

No one knows, it'd be pointless giving meaningless frequencies as possibilities really.

 

[benjii]

No one knows, it'd be pointless giving meaningless frequencies as possibilities really.

Indeed. Hopefully we'll get some news at CES.

 

[Rainmaker]

Your posts about the pricing really annoy me, because they're pretty much flat out biased.
It's not Intels fault the UK decided to tank its economy, they don't control retailers UK pricing.

If there's a genuine dollar price rise on the chips, then fair enough. But up until now the dollar pricing has been consistent for years.

Until recently. Taken from Linus.

 

[Martini1991]

No but the 15% Tax in our 20% is the EU's doing, the rest is Mr Osborn's collage education level Economic Policy, the best thing Mrs May did to date was sack that buffon.

Besides that Intel are expensive where ever you go, i am addressing Intels pricing structure, not Brexit.

PS: i voted remain, if i had to do it again i'll vote leave.

We won't agree on pricing. I don't personally have a problem with the dollar pricing. You want professional capabilities at consumer prices. I don't expect that.

 

[Martini1991]

Until recently. Taken from Linus.

Doesn't make a trend though.
6950X is also a ten core versus the prior 8 core (Not that I can condone the price increase, but increasing price with increasing performance is the opposite of progression).

Also, we're not really talking at the ultra high end.

Plus, Humbug had those views before that CPU launch.

 

[humbug]

We won't agree on pricing. I don't personally have a problem with the dollar pricing. You want professional capabilities at consumer prices. I don't expect that.

professional capabilities? a 4 core CPU?

With respect you're not that naive, there is nothing special about 4 core CPU's, not since 2006.

 

[Martini1991]

professional capabilities? a 4 core CPU?

With respect you're not that naive, there is nothing special about 4 core CPU's, not since 2006.

A 4 Core from Intel dollar wise hasn't changed price in years, it will do what its always done and that is good enough for none professionals.

 

[humbug]

A 4 Core from Intel dollar wise hasn't changed price in years, it will do what its always done and that is good enough for none professionals.

They have but they haven't changed that much, about +$80 since the 2600K, i would grant you that but the point is 4 core CPU's as higher end mainstream are an old format, there has been no real step up in what we get for our money in the last few years.

Four core CPU's are still a premium because Intel have been milking the market, not because 4 cores are high technology, they haven't been that for years.

 

[Deathroned]

A few weeks ago, a wink this time I'd have thought Zen.
But with the chatter of March etc, and with us not knowing anything, you just don't know.

I know there were rumours of Zen 15th of Jan, or CES showings etc. So maybe it is, maybe it's Kabylake.

Maybe it's an elaborate troll

EDIT : Unless I've taken it out of context, I think the cat's out the bag and it's Zen.

There will supposedly be a limited Launch of Zen, the Wink thread by Senpai Gibbo was for Zen and if you look at Ian's Comments it seems highly likely that Zen will Launch 17 January since it was supposed to launch in Q4 2016. the chips are done and finished the Canard article was using an old sample probably Pre-August preview. Just because they want to keep Intel on their toes and not reveal everything so Intel can adjust prices and AMD lose profits, it does not mean the CPU is done. CES they showcase motherboards.

 

[Martini1991]

I'm pretty resigned to the wink being kaby now. It's boring, but there's OCUK hype about it with binned chips etc.

 

[Legend]

There will supposedly be a limited Launch of Zen, the Wink thread by Senpai Gibbo was for Zen and if you look at Ian's Comments it seems highly likely that Zen will Launch 17 January since it was supposed to launch in Q4 2016. the chips are done and finished the Canard article was using an old sample probably Pre-August preview. Just because they want to keep Intel on their toes and not reveal everything so Intel can adjust prices and AMD lose profits, it does not mean the CPU is done. CES they showcase motherboards.

While I would very much like you to be right, I do think Ryzen releasing in just a couple of weeks, i.e available to purchase, is being awfully optimistic. That said, it would be very savvy of AMD to do so with Kaby releasing the week before... although Kaby isn't exactly a competitor for Ryzen anyway and is appealing to a different consumer, especially if the £700-800 price point of Ryzen is correct. But it would be a good way for AMD to steal some of the limelight.

 

[Martini1991]

While I would very much like you to be right, I do think Ryzen releasing in just a couple of weeks, i.e available to purchase, is being awfully optimistic. That said, it would be very savvy of AMD to do so with Kaby releasing the week before... although Kaby isn't exactly a competitor for Ryzen anyway and is appealing to a different consumer, especially if the £700-800 price point of Ryzen is correct. But it would be a good way for AMD to steal some of the limelight.

Even if the top end Ryzen is 700-800, Ryzen isn't a single product.
Of course it's competing with Kaby