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*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***

6800K, a 6 core CPU is £400, AMD 6 core anywhere near that price would be pointless, they wouldn't sell any, so by the time whatever AMD pricing hopes might be hit reality AMD 6 core will be little over £300.

Even if lets say AMD outright performance per core is only 85%that of KabyLake i can't see all that many opting for the £350 4 core Intel option instead, not unless you are an extremist Intel Fanboy or think the other 2 core are completely useless to you.
 
humbug said:
6800K, a 6 core CPU is £400, AMD 6 core anywhere near that price would be pointless, they wouldn't sell any, so by the time whatever AMD pricing hopes might be hit reality AMD 6 core will be little over £300.

Even if lets say AMD outright performance per core is only 85%that of KabyLake i can't see all that many opting for the £350 4 core Intel option instead, not unless you are an extremist Intel Fanboy or think the other 2 core are completely useless to you.
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And that's the potential issue for AMD. If Intel 4C/4T chips are doing 5GHz for £250 and AMD 6C/12T chips are only doing 4GHz for £300 between that and the IPC difference the AMD chip isn't going to be that far ahead in fully multithreaded applications but potentially a fair bit behind in gaming (at least at 1080p where CPU performance is likely to have a bigger impact). For a gamer it's not quite such an easy choice.
 
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And that's the potential issue for AMD. If Intel 4C/4T chips are doing 5GHz for £250 and AMD 6C/12T chips are only doing 4GHz for £300 between that and the IPC difference the AMD chip isn't going to be that far ahead in fully multithreaded applications but potentially a fair bit behind in gaming (at least at 1080p where CPU performance is likely to have a bigger impact). For a gamer it's not quite such an easy choice.
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Everything depends on price and zens actual performance point.
 
Jokester said:
And that's the potential issue for AMD. If Intel 4C/4T chips are doing 5GHz for £250 and AMD 6C/12T chips are only doing 4GHz for £300 between that and the IPC difference the AMD chip isn't going to be that far ahead in fully multithreaded applications but potentially a fair bit behind in gaming (at least at 1080p where CPU performance is likely to have a bigger impact). For a gamer it's not quite such an easy choice.
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They ain't doing 5Ghz, most reviewers are struggling to get them to that, a lot only managing 4.8Ghz with 1.4 Volts on £150 AIO coolers, and they would have been binned.... you can achieve that with SkyLake and Haswell. 5Ghz is just a whole lot of Hype. AMD did the same thing with Piledriver, Intel seem to be learning from AMD with this re-hash.

What IPC difference? from the Information we have at this point the IPC is the same.

And a maximum of 4Ghz overclock on Zen, seems extremely unlikely to be that low given the 8 core Zen is slightly more efficient than Broadwell with a higher baseclock.
 
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Exactly at £350 for an 8 core zen vs £350 7700k I know which one I would pick even if the amd 10-15% less Ipc and oc :p
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Ha ha ha. Thinking the 8 core Zen will be £350. When they were putting it up against the £1k+ Intel....

I repeat. Ha ha ha.

*until it is widely realised that all the hype from AMD is just hype afterall, and they really don't have a strong enough product to getting even close to competing.

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Also the 4c8t zen at £165 vs i5 7600k at £230...... Hmmmmm
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I would expect the 4c8t Zen to be much closer priced to the i5 than that. But I would also hope for it to be closer to 4th Gen i7 performance wise.
 
http://videocardz.com/65399/amd-sho...and-am4-motherboards-from-technology-partners

Press Release »

AMD Showcases High-Performance Ecosystem Ready for Ryzen(TM) Including PCs and AM4 Motherboards from Technology Partners

New Powerful and Versatile AM4 Motherboards and ‘Dream PCs’ from Global SIs Highlight Breadth of Partner Support for AMD Ryzen(TM) Processors

LAS VEGAS, NV — (Marketwired) — 01/04/17 — 2017 International Consumer Electronics Show (CES) — Following global excitement generated by the reveal of new technology and performance details of upcoming AMD Ryzen™ high-performance desktop processors, AMD (NASDAQ: AMD) today announced 16 cutting-edge high-performance AM4 motherboards from five manufacturers. In addition, AMD exhibited Ryzen processor-based “extreme performance” PC designs from 17 top system integrators across the globe as well as innovative third-party CPU cooler designs, demonstrating a ready and robust ecosystem for Ryzen CPUs. AMD also expects Ryzen-based designs from all top global PC OEMs, with more information on systems to be revealed at launch.

“2017 will be an unforgettable year for AMD, its technology partners and the PC industry as a whole, and we’re thrilled to kick off the year at CES by showing wide arrays of high-performance motherboard and PC designs from our OEM partners for whom the future is Ryzen,” said Jim Anderson, senior vice president and general manager, Computing and Graphics Group, AMD. “AMD and our partners are committed to supporting enthusiasts, gamers, and creators with a new generation of computing innovation and choice through AMD Ryzen processor-based motherboards, custom-built PCs, and coolers built to support these impressive systems.”

New Chipsets and Motherboards
AMD and its motherboard partners today debuted a wide array of new motherboards from ASRock, Asus, Biostar, Gigabyte, and MSI, all built upon two upcoming desktop chipsets for AMD Ryzen processors: the X370 and X300. X370 chipset-based motherboards are designed for those who need the most performance, cutting-edge features, and superior I/O connectivity from their PCs including support for overclocking1, and dual graphics. For users looking for performance in a more compact size, the X300 chipset also features an AMD Ryzen-ready AM4 socket while utilizing the mini-ITX size ideal for small form factor PCs. Both chipsets take full advantage of innovative technology features including:

Dual-channel DDR4 memory
NVMe
M.2 SATA devices
USB 3.1 Gen 1 and Gen 2
PCIe® 3.0 capability2
AM4 chipsets provide dedicated PCIe lanes for USB, graphics, data and other I/O, providing a powerful, scalable and reliable computing experience and bringing the benefit of future-ready technologies. Motherboards on display at CES 2017 include:

ASRock X370 Taichi, ASRock X370 Gaming K4, ASRock AB350 Gaming K4 & ASRock A320M Pro4
Asus B350M-C
Biostar X370GT7, Biostar X350GT5 & Biostar X350GT3
Gigabyte GA-AX370-Gaming K5, Gigabyte GA-AX370-Gaming 5, Gigabyte AB350-Gaming 3 & Gigabyte A320M-HD3
MSI A320M Pro-VD, MSI X370 Xpower Gaming Titanium, MSI B350 Tomahawk & MSI B350M Mortar

AMD Ryzen processor-based PCs
Exemplifying the goal of bringing innovation and competition back to desktop PCs, AMD and renowned custom-PC builders such as Cyberpower, Maingear and Origin, amongst others, presented an array of ‘dream PCs’ based on high-performance AMD Ryzen processors. From exotic, custom water-cooled systems to more refined, practical solutions, a myriad of PCs incorporating AMD Ryzen processors were on display at CES including:

Caseking
CSL – Computer
CyberPower PC
Cybertron PC
Icoda (Korea)
IBUYPOWER
iPason Wuhan
Komplett
LDLC
Maingear
Mayn Wuhan
Medion AG
Mindfactory
Oldi (Russia)
Origin PC
Overclockers UK
PC Specialist

New 3rd Party Thermal Solutions
For enthusiasts and PC builders focused on a premium, quiet, and effective cooling solution or wishing to overclock, AMD is working with 15 top cooler manufacturers and vendors to create an array of aftermarket CPU coolers for AM4 processors. For ultra-quiet air cooling, Noctua will offer both its NH-D15 and its slimmer counterpart the NH-U12S. In, addition, EKWB will offer AM4 support for its custom water cooling solutions.

AMD Ryzen processor-based PCs, AM4 motherboards, and compatible cooling solutions are expected to be available in Q1 2017.
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Not a lots of AM4 motherboards was showed at CES.

Compatible cooling solutions sound like current CPU coolers brackets and AM3+ brackets are not backward compatible with AM4.

Q1 2017 look like it point to March 2017 launch.

I wont be happy bunny if ASUS AM4 motherboards don't have Aura RGB while ASUS PRIME Z270 motherboards has stunning Aura RGB.
 
AMD has not even done their presentation yet lol, this was just a pre-event official statement from them.

Today they will showcase some stuff, nice to see OCUK get mentioned in that press release :)
 
AthlonXP1800 said:
http://videocardz.com/65399/amd-sho...and-am4-motherboards-from-technology-partners



Not a lots of AM4 motherboards was showed at CES.

Compatible cooling solutions sound like current CPU coolers brackets and AM3+ brackets are not backward compatible with AM4.

Q1 2017 look like it point to March 2017 launch.

I wont be happy bunny if ASUS AM4 motherboards don't have Aura RGB while ASUS PRIME Z270 motherboards has stunning Aura RGB.
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You'll just use any angle you can to post AMD in a negative light.
 
From reddit...

I work at a Microcenter, I'm looking directly at the eLearning right now, nowhere is there any mention of Ryzen, only the 7th gen Core i series. Our newsletter says that it's coming soon though, I'll post a picture of an interesting bit from it, where it says "early performance comparison of Zen versus Kaby Lake have been mostly in AMD's favor, winning most clock for clock results and expected to be a lower price overall to allow customers to add other component upgrades to their build for similar overall spend"*

* Note, I think this is speculation, but the higher ups may know something I don't.
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Sorry in work so cant scale the image.

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