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*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***

Indeed. If after all this the 8C ends up falling short and not even in Kaby territory (never mind the 5GHz overclocks which it will struggle with), then AMD are dead and buried lol! I don't think that's at all likely however, but the price point is going to be key. If they get that right, they will have a winner on their hands for sure. As a pure gaming CPU however, I don't quite see how it's going to compete with the 7700k for raw performance, but if cheap enough it will sway many.

Broadwell-E and Kaby Lake have fallen short. Anything around Ivybridge performance puts AMD back in the mix. An unlocked 8 core 16 thread Ivybridge chip on a unified AM4 socket would be a really strong desktop system. At 95 watt it would also be a very strong work station/professional system.
 
Broadwell-E and Kaby Lake have fallen short. Anything around Ivybridge performance puts AMD back in the mix. An unlocked 8 core 16 thread Ivybridge chip on a unified AM4 socket would be a really strong desktop system. At 95 watt it would also be a very strong work station/professional system.

That's a fail. This is categorically not what AMD are leading people to believe Ryzen is, or that they just want to be 'back in the mix', so if that's all Ryzen ends up being, some mid-range offering that doesn't excite or compete with the big guns, they're done as a CPU entity that anyone takes seriously anymore. Intel win, and consumers are screwed forever and eternity. They need to rival and beat Intel's top offerings on performance and price, and when it comes to price, significantly so.
 
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That's a fail. This is categorically not what AMD are leading people to believe Ryzen is, or that they just want to be 'back in the mix', so if that's all Ryzen ends up being, some mid-range offering that doesn't excite or compete with the big guns, they're done as a CPU entity that anyone takes seriously anymore. Intel win, and consumers are screwed forever and eternity. They need to rival and beat Intel's top offerings on performance and price, and when it comes to price, significantly so.

It's not a fail. If Intel unified Soc 2011 and 1151 and brought out a 95 watt 8 core 16 thread i7 with Broadwell-E performance people would be all over it...

AMD have said 40% performance jump and shown a few practical tests. What you have read into that yourself is up to you.
 
It's not a fail. If Intel unified Soc 2011 and 1151 and brought out a 95 watt 8 core 16 thread i7 with Broadwell-E performance people would be all over it...

AMD have said 40% performance jump and shown a few practical tests. What you have read into that yourself is up to you.

OK, well the difference between Ivy Bridge as you previously suggested, and the latest Broadwell-E isn't to be sniffed at. Early reports suggest Ryzen 8C is a 6900k beater, which if true is great (at the right price).
 
The difference between Ivybridge and Broadwell-E is to be sniffed at though.

I don't know, looking at benchmarks, it CLEARLY has the edge, far more so than Kaby has over Skylake anyway, not that this would be hard lol!

If AMD roundly beat Broadwell-E, then it's all good. If nothing else, it will give Intel a real kick up the backside and possibly start a price war and give them both good reason to push harder on further tech developments. We ALL win then. If AMD cannot do this and give Intel no fear for their dominant hold over the market, then not very much is going to change. Big picture and all.
 
It's all about performance vs price. Even if Ryzen is not as far as Intel but is priced right it will sell. The elitist enthusiasts will always go for the best but for mere mortals it will be good enough, if they price it right...
 
Margin of error, they're all performing the same, to the GPU bottleneck.

Compare them clock to clock in something that is entirely CPU dependant.
Not that I care for a Skylake/Broadwell comparison, but meh.
 
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^^ Oh dear!!!

Oh dear what?

Intel's performance increases have been ranged from within the margin of error to barley anything. I know you have stock to shift but lets at least call it as it is...

Waits for people to post benchmarks based on instruction sets.
 
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