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They've been pinning their hopes on AMD white knighting CES and it didn't quite turn out as planned.
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*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***
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They've been pinning their hopes on AMD white knighting CES and it didn't quite turn out as planned.
Ryzen is a CPU core. You mean Raven Ridge, which will include a Ryzen CPU core and IGP.
Soldato
This thread is my source of daily giggles 
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Caporegime
New Clock speed on the 8 Core RyZen.
Every time there is a confirmed clock speed of this chip its increased, 2.8Ghz, 3.0Ghz, 3.15Ghz, 3.4Ghz and now 3.6Ghz base, 4Ghz Turbo.
Every time there is a confirmed clock speed of this chip its increased, 2.8Ghz, 3.0Ghz, 3.15Ghz, 3.4Ghz and now 3.6Ghz base, 4Ghz Turbo.
Probably means it's actually 2.6...
Although those of us that remember the jump from Pentium4 to Core2 might not find this such terrible news. We have no real idea how the IPC stacks up
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Probably means it's actually 2.6...
Although those of us that remember the jump from Pentium4 to Core2 might not find this such terrible news. We have no real idea how the IPC stacks up
The cannard pc 'Preview' gives zen around broadwell-E IPC no different to the ryzen event.
Heh, sorry, I wasn't really being serious. I haven't paid that much attention to all the previews/hype because I'm not prepared to trust anything until it's on shelves and being properly reviewed ^^;
Good news if it's that far on though!
Soldato
Really excited for this. I was excited for Bulldozer as well before launch but ended up with a 3570k due to pants performance.
Doesn't feel right 'upgrading' to another '4 core' CPU in the 7700k. Next upgrade should be a minimum of 8 cores really to feel right. Just hope the 8/16 CPU from AMD isn't silly expensive.
I've got the money but shouldn't really spend more than £400 on a CPU just for gaming.
I wonder what difference a higher clocked 7700k compared to slower clocked but more threaded Ryzen chip would feel like in game? Would we see a more smoother experience maybe depending on if the game was more multi threaded or not....?
Doesn't feel right 'upgrading' to another '4 core' CPU in the 7700k. Next upgrade should be a minimum of 8 cores really to feel right. Just hope the 8/16 CPU from AMD isn't silly expensive.
I've got the money but shouldn't really spend more than £400 on a CPU just for gaming.
I wonder what difference a higher clocked 7700k compared to slower clocked but more threaded Ryzen chip would feel like in game? Would we see a more smoother experience maybe depending on if the game was more multi threaded or not....?
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Probably means it's actually 2.6...
Although those of us that remember the jump from Pentium4 to Core2 might not find this such terrible news. We have no real idea how the IPC stacks up
Its going up because they are still fine tuning the chip and thats as far as they have it at this point, by the time its released it could have jumped another 200Mhz bringing it to 3.8 - 4.2Ghz.
As for the IPC, Blender (Which is Floating point performance) its <0 to 2% faster than Broadwell, in Handbreak (Integer) its <10% faster, thats clock for clock core for core performance, this from AMD's public benching of the 8 core 16 thread RyZen vs Intels i7 6900K.
Pinch of salt as this is AMD benchmarking their own CPU's.
Others who have the chip are reported to have said RyZen IPC is slightly higher than SkyLake, SkyLake is the same as KabyLake
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Don't want to get my hope up on that sort of info, I'd be happy with trading blows with Broadwell. Skylake+ is just hype machine...surely???
Crazy when a few months ago we were expecting Sandy/Ivy range, whereas it seems its substantially higher.
If the above is true though, Keller and AMDs design team have outdone themselves; that would be a stunning achievement given the difference between Intel and AMD's budgets.
Crazy when a few months ago we were expecting Sandy/Ivy range, whereas it seems its substantially higher.
If the above is true though, Keller and AMDs design team have outdone themselves; that would be a stunning achievement given the difference between Intel and AMD's budgets.
Caporegime
I don't know what you mean by "Hype Machine" if its not true its simply a lie, if it is true then its simply that.
We were taking a completely uneducated shot in the dark guess at Zens performance, we concluded we would be happy with Sandy Bridge performance.
As it turns out the benchmarks have it around SkyLake, that is unless CunardPC and AMD are liars.
I'll reserve final judgement for more independent reviews but at the same time i'm not going to call those ^^^^ benchmarks a lie simply because our wild shot in the dark guess work turned out to be wrong.
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Hype machine usually is a lie, look at the rubbish about the RX480s pre-launch.
People love to start unfounded rumours for clickbait. If it does turn out that there are no substantial downfalls and the tidbits we've got hold out over a wider picture though, it'd be a very nice surprise.
Cunard have been right before, AMD, well they might also be telling the truth and giving a good snapshot at wider performance, but they may also be picking areas where it does well/surprisingly well, I'm just hoping the final product holds up and doesn't have any substantial caveats.
Obviously price/clocks/cores and threads per CPU will all play a substantial part in this.
The news of the later versions of silicon going up and up in terms of clocks, with boost clocks potentially doing the same though can only be good news.
We all need a strong competitive AMD, and they've been gone too long in the high end domain. Also I don't think it was just people concluded they'd be happy with Sandy region performance, many people seemed to expect AMD couldn't or wouldn't do much better.
Fingers crossed this is AMD64 v2
People love to start unfounded rumours for clickbait. If it does turn out that there are no substantial downfalls and the tidbits we've got hold out over a wider picture though, it'd be a very nice surprise.
Cunard have been right before, AMD, well they might also be telling the truth and giving a good snapshot at wider performance, but they may also be picking areas where it does well/surprisingly well, I'm just hoping the final product holds up and doesn't have any substantial caveats.
Obviously price/clocks/cores and threads per CPU will all play a substantial part in this.
The news of the later versions of silicon going up and up in terms of clocks, with boost clocks potentially doing the same though can only be good news.
We all need a strong competitive AMD, and they've been gone too long in the high end domain. Also I don't think it was just people concluded they'd be happy with Sandy region performance, many people seemed to expect AMD couldn't or wouldn't do much better.
Fingers crossed this is AMD64 v2
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Caporegime
Hype machine usually is a lie, look at the rubbish about the RX480s pre-launch.
People love to start unfounded rumours for clickbait. If it does turn out that there are no substantial downfalls and the tidbits we've got hold out over a wider picture though, it'd be a very nice surprise.
Cunard have been right before, AMD, well they might also be telling the truth and giving a good snapshot at wider performance, but they may also be picking areas where it does well/surprisingly well, I'm just hoping the final product holds up and doesn't have any substantial caveats.
Obviously price/clocks/cores and threads per CPU will all play a substantial part in this.
The news of the later versions of silicon going up and up in terms of clocks, with boost clocks potentially doing the same though can only be good news.
We all need a strong competitive AMD, and they've been gone too long in the high end domain. Also I don't think it was just people concluded they'd be happy with Sandy region performance, many people seemed to expect AMD couldn't or wouldn't do much better.
Fingers crossed this is AMD64 v2
Well that's your fault for believing rumours, the difference between the RX 480 and RyZen is the RX 480 was all pure click bait and speculation where as RyZen has actual performance benchmarks from AMD.
So you believed random click bait and speculation about the RX 480 but AMD putting out performance numbers on Zen is a lie?
Soldato
I never said I believed them, I've been waiting patiently to see the truth, I was highlighting how often it happens, you only have to look at the Fury 'overclockers dream' quote to see that no one is immune to slipping up sometimes, or AMD suggesting the RX480 was going to be the new 4870 game changer which turned out to be innaccurate. And yes Ryzen we are seeing demos, the trick being as we know far too often these can be faked or tweaked, or not show the entire picture.
This is why seeing the CPU's in the hands of reviewers will be the true moment of knowledge, where transparent, documented testing can happen under a wide variety of circumstances.
Frankly, I didn't believe the RX480 rumours or supposed tests, I'm cynical but optimistic about what we're seeing about Zen, I just want to see where things land when the dust settles.
Personally I think enough is starting to come out that my feeling of being quietly optimistic is growing and have always been a fan of what AMD has done, since my old AthlonXP chip, I'd love to see that pan out here where we have something that can rival or beat Intel across the board, its just a case of whether there are any significant caveats we don't know about, initial tests etc are promising! I also however don't want to get hopes up and then find out it's not what it's cracked up to be.
Better IPC than Skylake would certainly be great, it'd be wonderful to see AMD beating Intel with first gen Zen across the board once final firmware/chips are on the market, it'll do the marketplace wonders.
This is why seeing the CPU's in the hands of reviewers will be the true moment of knowledge, where transparent, documented testing can happen under a wide variety of circumstances.
Frankly, I didn't believe the RX480 rumours or supposed tests, I'm cynical but optimistic about what we're seeing about Zen, I just want to see where things land when the dust settles.
Personally I think enough is starting to come out that my feeling of being quietly optimistic is growing and have always been a fan of what AMD has done, since my old AthlonXP chip, I'd love to see that pan out here where we have something that can rival or beat Intel across the board, its just a case of whether there are any significant caveats we don't know about, initial tests etc are promising! I also however don't want to get hopes up and then find out it's not what it's cracked up to be.
Better IPC than Skylake would certainly be great, it'd be wonderful to see AMD beating Intel with first gen Zen across the board once final firmware/chips are on the market, it'll do the marketplace wonders.
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Caporegime
What happened with the RX 480 does not belong in this debate.
WCCF quoting some random guy in a basement claiming to have one is very different to AMD putting on an event and benchmarking their own chip.
If you don't think there is some sort of similarity with that and Zen don't make one, don't bring it up, there isn't a resemblance.
AMD released the blender file into the public forum for people to examine and run themselves, which is more than can be said for a lot of mainstream reviewers who refuse to publish their benching methodology so they can be replicated and confirmed.
AMD's benchmark has been replicated and confirmed.
Caporegime
Everything seems to be hinting at close to BW level IPC - that also means in certain situations it might have worse IPC and in others better IPC.
As long as in gaming AMD can get Haswell to BW level IPC,with reasonable clockspeeds they will be solid CPUs for most of us.
As long as in gaming AMD can get Haswell to BW level IPC,with reasonable clockspeeds they will be solid CPUs for most of us.
Indeed. If after all this the 8C ends up falling short and not even in Kaby territory (never mind the 5GHz overclocks which it will struggle with), then AMD are dead and buried lol! I don't think that's at all likely however, but the price point is going to be key. If they get that right, they will have a winner on their hands for sure. As a pure gaming CPU however, I don't quite see how it's going to compete with the 7700k for raw performance, but if cheap enough it will sway many.
Skylake is barely faster than Broadwell to begin with so even if Ryzen is around Broadwell IPC, it'd likely beat Skylake in some benchmarks and lose in others.
Soldato
Thing is tho, they have had 5 years development time, which in the world of IT is an age.