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*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***

Silent_Scone said:
'Terribly?' All I said was I'd heard it was fairly weak...

Which turned out to be true. The only terrible thing to happen was the amount of people that got up on the defensive about it.
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I said you explained it terribly.

The term memory overclocking doesn't really have the same meaning to it as what you were actually saying.

The inability to run a 3000MHZ kit at 3000MHZ doesn't scream out a problem with the memory overclocking.
 
humbug said:
I don't know why this even matters?

Again, if Zen gets the desired performance with just ####Mhz of system ram or ####Mhz the point surely is its outright performance compared with the competition, if it can achieve that with slightly slower RAM then that RAM speed is irrelevant.

Its more hot air about nothing. Straw clutching before we even have the facts.
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Yes, we know it doesn't matter to you. You made that clear beforehand...:rolleyes:

Martini1991 said:
I said you explained it terribly.

The term memory overclocking doesn't really have the same meaning to it as what you were actually saying.

The inability to run a 3000MHZ kit at 3000MHZ doesn't scream out a problem with the memory overclocking.
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It does if you understand the implications and how memory works. That's not a dig, that's just the truth. You're saying that I said 3000Mhz kits wouldn't work? Which is a flat out lie, only the least informed would have assumed I meant the kit wouldn't work outright.
 
Silent_Scone said:
'Terribly?' All I said was I'd heard it was fairly weak...

Which turned out to be true. The only terrible thing to happen was the amount of people that got up on the defensive about it.



Without trying to throw salt on this, motherboard design is only going to net you so much. 6 or 8 layer boards may get you a little more, but I can't see Ryzen officially supporting more than 2800mhz TBH.
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Ryzen official support at 2800MHZ would be surpassing official Kaby support.
Not really the right word to use.
 
humbug said:
I don't know why this even matters?

Again, if Zen gets the desired performance with just ####Mhz of system ram or ####Mhz the point surely is its outright performance compared with the competition, if it can achieve that with slightly slower RAM then that RAM speed is irrelevant.

Its more hot air about nothing. Straw clutching before we even have the facts.
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That's all fine and well, but you were quite happy to dismiss him before. You can at least admit he looks to be right.

I personally agree with you however. But my stance has always been that.
 
Silent_Scone said:
It does if you understand the implications and how memory works. That's not a dig, that's just the truth. You're saying that I said 3000Mhz kits wouldn't work? Which is a flat out lie, only the least informed would have assumed I meant the kit wouldn't work outright.
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No I didn't?

I don't think you're reading what I'm saying.
I literally worded my post to not say that. The inability to run a 3000MHZ kit at 3000MHZ would be because of the CPU's IMC.
 
Martini1991 said:
Ryzen official support at 2800MHZ would be surpassing official Kaby support.
Not really the right word to use.
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Again, more misinterpretation by you. We're talking about motherboards, so official in the vendor sense, and overclocking. It's up to the vendor to disclose what their maximum operating frequency is for that board. Perhaps you're right as much as to say I should have kept my mouth shut to not upset people.
 
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Silent_Scone said:
Again, more misinterpretation by you. We're talking about motherboards, so official in the vendor sense, and overclocking. It's up to the vendor to disclose what their maximum operating frequency is for that board.
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You're the one using the words.
Saying Ryzen is not the same as talking about the motherboards.

I'm in agreement with you, but you're trying to argue with me for no other reason than your ability to type coherently.
 
Martini1991 said:
You're the one using the words.
Saying Ryzen is not the same as talking about the motherboards.

I'm in agreement with you, but you're trying to argue with me for no other reason than your ability to type coherently.
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Ok, well it's becoming pedantic now. We're talking about 2666 (OC) so it's obvious to most that 2800 'official' support doesn't exist. Lets move on though. Maybe it's because I'm talking in vendor speak.
 
Martini1991 said:
Ryzen official support at 2800MHZ would be surpassing official Kaby support.
Not really the right word to use.
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It's what the mobo manufactures are willing to state is an achievable oc speed (with the right memory modules) apparently there's not that much confidence in ryzens performance in this area. Conversly intel's quoted memory speeds have been much lower than mobo manufactures have quoted for oc speeds for some time
 
Silent_Scone said:
Ok, well it's becoming pedantic now. We're talking about 2666 (OC) so it's obvious to most that 2800 'official' support doesn't exist. Lets move on though.
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It's not really pedantry when we're on about specifics.
Specific words mean different things. You're the one mixing them up. Which again goes back to what I said about you explaining yourself terrible.

Long and short, Zen has a limited ability to run RAM over frequencies of 2600. You stated as much in December and were correct.
 
Caracus2k said:
It's what the mobo manufactures are willing to state is an achievable oc speed (with the right memory modules) apparently there's not that much confidence in ryzens performance in this area. Conversly intel's quoted memory speeds have been much lower than mobo manufactures have quoted for oc speeds for some time
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Again, not disagreeing with that. I've been saying that about CPU vendors and their official ratings, and then motherboard ratings.
 
Not everyone is only doing gaming. I found especially on 4 Core SKylake or Kaylake that high mems is making a difference to several prrofessional applications. On X99 Cache speed more important tha mems for sure.
 
8 Pack said:
Not everyone is only doing gaming. I found especially on 4 Core SKylake or Kaylake that high mems is making a difference to several prrofessional applications. On X99 Cache speed more important tha mems for sure.
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Ryzen looks like it is closer to socket 2011 in cache layout and you only have to look at the chip to see it's server versions.

The problem is that almost all the places where I have worked which had large numbers of socket 1366/2011 type systems have had them at stock since they are being run continuously so long-term stability was more important. But it was more scientific stuff though.
 
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It's to back their asses because it may say supports xxxx speed but you can still use high rated memory at higher speeds its just the chance of stability decreases. I guess Zen's IMC is not as good as intel's if they suggest they support lower rated speeds.
 
Martini1991 said:
Just because Intel officially say 2400MHZ doesn't mean it tops out at 2400MHZ. The motherboards go all the way upto 3600+.

However, when your motherboard vendors are touting 2600MHZ as the top, well it's a bit different.
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consider this - what if so far , the only ram modules validated are up to that speed? and when more are validated , the supported speed goes up , officially by the mobo maker , via a bios update

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Asus for example support different ram speeds on different boards , all using the Z170 chipset:

https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Z170-PRO-GAMING-AURA/

vs

https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/ROG-MAXIMUS-VIII-EXTREME-ASSEMBLY/

for example
 
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