Caporegime
I was just going to say my 1090T had no issues running 1866Mhz.
1600Mhz at the time, 2008, was not bad.
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I was just going to say my 1090T had no issues running 1866Mhz.
1600Mhz at the time, 2008, was not bad.
Soldato
I would suggest you talk to asus then , as this board
https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/ROG-MAXIMUS-VIII-EXTREME-ASSEMBLY/
supports higher ram speed than
https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Z170-PRO-GAMING-AURA/
and according to you , the quality of the board has nothing to do with this
Soldato
LOL
Caporegime
It was 2009.
Months and months and months after Intels X58 line up, and had an inferior IMC.
Didn't bother me, but it happened.
I remember being one of the first to get a proper 4GHZ stable Phenom II X4 chip, and I was still running my 2000 MHZ RAM kit at 1333MHZ.
Caporegime
I had an i7 930, that didn't run much higher than 1600Mhz either.
What exactly do you constitute as weak? do you think the Phenon II x4 which was launched in 2008 just stopped at 1600Mhz? do you think X58 chips also launched in 2008 would do 2400Mhz+?
There is a lot of hype in these arguments but what are the realities? really?
Caporegime
You'd have a job running DDR3 on any Phenom II that launched in 2008 because they had no DDR3 IMC
And the AM3 Phenom II's couldn't even run 1600MHZ stable, officially they supported 1333MHZ, and that's all they ran.
I constitute a weak IMC as not being able to run the fastest memory at its fastest speed.
The original X58 chips were all rated at 1066MHZ. I don't know their limit, but I know it was better than any Phenom II at the time.
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Caporegime
You'd have a job running DDR3 on any Phenom II that launched in 2008 because they had no DDR3 IMC
Right or wrong i can't be #### right now to check the fact its irrelevant, X58 was also Triple Channel, so what?
Hyperbole, that's my point.
Soldato
http://www.amd.com/en-us/products/processors/desktop/phenom-ii#
hmmm AMD say they only supported DDR3 1333 on phenom 2.....
hmmm AMD say they only supported DDR3 1333 on phenom 2.....
Caporegime
And?
The official rating never changed, even when Thuban improved the IMC performance.
Caporegime
I'm not the one who questioned it.
Caporegime
And dual memory controllers, both DDR2 and DDR3
Caporegime
Yes, the latter ones.
Phenom II launched in 2008 on AM2+. DDR2 only.
In 2009 AM3 launched with AM3 Phenom II's. Hence one of my sustained complaints with AMD sockets. AM3 never had an exclusive CPU range.
The AM3 CPU's had a DDR2 and DDR3 memory controller.
Soldato
do you genuinely have difficulty with understanding anything? you`ve been fanataical about AMD and weak IMC , and yet so far - nothing has been seen about Ryzen , and Phenom 2 officially supported DDR3 1333 ; but you count that as `weak`.
This is the Deneb core.
Caporegime
The Phenom II Deneb core did have a weak IMC as it couldn't run RAM at the frequencies available to buy at the time.
I don't understand what's happening anymore.
Soldato
what utter tosh! it could happily run DDR3 1333 - available to buy at the time!
Caporegime
Never said it couldn't.
It couldn't run any of the higher frequency kits at their rated frequencies though, which were all readily available, how can that not be considered weak?
Caporegime
I don't think there was ever a distinction between them, AM3 which was DDR3 was launched on February 9 2009, 2 Moths after Phenom II X4, Launched in December 2008.
It was simply at a transition time from DDR2 to DDR3 and AMD decided to support both on the chip.
Well one thing is for sure, Bristol ridge is and will be limited to ddr4 2400.
To achieve more you have to tinker manual timings and increase the ref clock.
Not saying Zen will be, I'm confident the ddr4 controller will be fully programmable. But I'm interested in how this will be used in the Raven Ridge Apu's.
To achieve more you have to tinker manual timings and increase the ref clock.
Not saying Zen will be, I'm confident the ddr4 controller will be fully programmable. But I'm interested in how this will be used in the Raven Ridge Apu's.
Caporegime
AM2+ chips had 940 pins, AM3 has 938.
The AM2+ never had a DDR3 IMC, wouldn't even physically fit in an AM3 board.
Caporegime
So? thats besides the point, DDR3 AM3 was launched several weeks after Phenom II x4 CPU's.
I doubt AMD had two Phenom II launches in a few weeks, one with a DDR3 controller and one without, that makes no sense at all...
Actually, why don't you tell me which version of the Phenom II X4 chip didn't have a DDR3 memory controller.