Caporegime
Actually, Phenom II never launched at all in 2008.
It was always 2009. I don't know why I believed you for once
It was always 2009. I don't know why I believed you for once
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*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***
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Caporegime
AMD Phenom II X4 940 and Phenom II X4 920.
http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/K10/A... Edition - HDZ940XCJ4DGI (HDZ940XCGIBOX).html
They launched in 2009 Jan ; http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/intel-core-i7-920-and-965-review,1.html
Then AM3 in April ; http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/amd-phenom-x4-945-and-955be-processor-review|test,1.html
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Caporegime
As you wish........ as you are so determined with this.... lets run with that, so AMD launched two separate Phenom II X4 CPU's one with and one without a DDR3 memory controller, this after they launched a DDR3 board in the form of AM3.
Thats even more ridiculous.
Again, which model Phenom II X4 did not have a DDR3 memory controller?
Caporegime
I'm not determined with anything, you're the one rewriting history.
http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/K10/A... Edition - HDZ940XCJ4DGI (HDZ940XCGIBOX).html
No DDR3 controller.
Even IF it did have a DDR3 controller, what would be the relevance? It still launched in 2009 and couldn't use DDR3 as it couldn't fit in a DDR3 board, which never launched till a few months later.
You have a problem believing history because you weren't around to experience it. That's neither my problem nor fault.
Caporegime
That is very odd, and on the site, in one instance they list sockets AM2 and AM2+ and at the bottom they cite different TDP's if run in AM2+ and AM3.
Why would the chip be compatible on a DDR3 board if it didn't have a DDR3 IMC, DDR2 sticks don't fit in DDR3 slots. and why would the TDP be different on AM2 than on AM3 if they are not using different components, like a DDR3 vs DDR2 IMC?
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Soldato
Because it hadn't been certified at the time. There were some cross gender AM2+ boards at the time.
Seems this now really has gone off topic lol.
Seems this now really has gone off topic lol.
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Caporegime
AM2 and AM2+ are both DDR2.
A Phenom II X4 940 does not work on any AM3 board, with the first reason being it can't fit, and the second the lack of a DDR3 IMC.
I can't tell what you're getting at.
Am2+ came out before Am3, my old Am2+ 770ud3 used ddr2 memory whilst using an x4 620 and an unlocked b55, both Am3 cpu's.
am2+ phenom II did not have a ddr3 controller so can't be used in am3.
Caporegime
Take a look at any AM3 motherboard and see if it lists a Phenom II 940.
Simple?
Simple
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Don
There was actually a couple of Phenom2 CPUs that were AM2+ only (the 940BE and 920).
Caporegime
Here the 940 is listed as AM3/AM2+
http://************.com/product/Kr8Zxr/amd-cpu-hdz940xcgibox
http://************.com/product/Kr8Zxr/amd-cpu-hdz940xcgibox
Caporegime
Caporegime
You're the one who's seeming determined now.
They didn't have a DDR3 IMC.
I'm pretty sure they don't even physically fit.
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Caporegime
Caporegime
Granted, i forgot what the point of all this was tho.
Caporegime
A friend of mine had one of those cross gender DDR2/DDR3 boards and stuck in an original Athlon X2 with DDR3 RAM.
He messaged me asking why it wouldn't work.
What on earth has happened in this thread?
Why are we fixated on the probability that zen will have a limited memory frequency in comparison to SL / KL?
Realistically the performance gains in anything other than memory benchmarking will be minimal of at all. You can gain more with tight timing vs higher clock rates in a lot of situations.
I honestly don't think this will impact on how these new chips will compete with desktop class Intel chips (may be different in workstations / servers where memory bandwidth is more key).
That being said AMD may see this as a factor in pricing and hopefully will have them undercut Intel chip for chip
Why are we fixated on the probability that zen will have a limited memory frequency in comparison to SL / KL?
Realistically the performance gains in anything other than memory benchmarking will be minimal of at all. You can gain more with tight timing vs higher clock rates in a lot of situations.
I honestly don't think this will impact on how these new chips will compete with desktop class Intel chips (may be different in workstations / servers where memory bandwidth is more key).
That being said AMD may see this as a factor in pricing and hopefully will have them undercut Intel chip for chip
Soldato
Both memory timings and frequencies are equally as important. It's not about the comparison with Intel DDR4 offerings, anyway. Seeing what vendors are recommending, when nothing has been said officially is better info than nothing. After all, this is just a speculation thread...
It matters because AMD have previewed ryzen as being competitive with the intel enthusiast line... When early indication suggest it will have an inferior memory setup to the intel.consumer line then this may be of interest to some people looking at the platform
Soldato
intel use dual channel ram and skylake is specced to 2133 ddr4. 99.999999999% (give or take a few) of users don't overclock ram in the pcworld bought machine