*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

I don't understand the new Kaby Lake chips, if it's so close that 100mhz overclock on i7 (7740K) makes a difference then I think AMD will be a no brainer anyway, Ryzen will be cheaper due to lack of IGP and you'll have a simple upgrade path to 6-8 core processors later down the line.

The only way Intel are going to be able to compete is by slashing the prices across their enthusiast line.

The Core i5 7740K is a socket 2066 CPU AFAIK!!

 

[humbug]

The Core i5 7740K is a socket 2066 CPU AFAIK!!

Its seems really odd to come out with yet another 77## / 76## series CPU clocked 2% higher, and its not even on the same platform?

What is the point of this CPU? Maybe Intel are in a state of panic.

 

[~>Dg<~]

what ?

intel in state of panic what drivel

they have new platforms coming new highend coming.yet they in panic.like a product but come on.

in single thread intels faster even normal i7s.
multithread aps depending on what is actually benched probaby close to entry level x99 stuff for majority of chips.with top one most likely performing like a ocd 6800k.

heat seems like it maybe a issue but for gaming its looking like intel will still dominate with higher clock frequency.

so the small refresh just will help put them even a little more ahead .

for these chips to be really succesful.they have to be from £300 above higher spec than 5820k or 6800k. other wise not great progress.

 

[Jono8]

what ?

intel in state of panic what drivel

they have new platforms coming new highend coming.yet they in panic.like a product but come on.

in single thread intels faster even normal i7s.
multithread aps depending on what is actually benched probaby close to entry level x99 stuff for majority of chips.with top one most likely performing like a ocd 6800k.

heat seems like it maybe a issue but for gaming its looking like intel will still dominate with higher clock frequency.

so the small refresh just will help put them even a little more ahead .

for these chips to be really succesful.they have to be from £300 above higher spec than 5820k or 6800k. other wise not great progress.

This won't be progress, just catch up (hopefully) and more reasonable prices for 6/8 core cpus.

It will hopefully mean Intel have some competition finally.

 

[humbug]

what ?

intel in state of panic what drivel

they have new platforms coming new highend coming.yet they in panic.like a product but come on.

in single thread intels faster even normal i7s.
multithread aps depending on what is actually benched probaby close to entry level x99 stuff for majority of chips.with top one most likely performing like a ocd 6800k.

heat seems like it maybe a issue but for gaming its looking like intel will still dominate with higher clock frequency.

so the small refresh just will help put them even a little more ahead .

for these chips to be really succesful.they have to be from £300 above higher spec than 5820k or 6800k. other wise not great progress.

We don't know anything yet but if you are going to say things like "in single thread intels faster" what apparent info we have to date that statement is simply not true, AMD are if not at the same level marginally faster per-core per-clock, and if price leaks are anything to go by less than half the price.

 

[~>Dg<~]

your dreaming.if you think they half the price for same speed.only the top amd is going to be basically a ocd 6800k. which you comparing to a 6900k.

you do know a 6800k and 5820k ocd to 4.4 4.6 is the same also ?

how much are they ? 5820k was as low at £250.been around a few years. 6800k is well over priced we know this. £420 . oc mainly to 4.2-4.4 which is close to the blender bench.

so unless these chips are £300 and match the above chips or faster is just a catch up.singler thread will be quicker on intel still.

 

[mmj_uk]

The Core i5 7740K is a socket 2066 CPU AFAIK!!

That makes a lot more sense but then what of mainstream platform? are Intel going to be abandoning it on the desktop? will the latest architectures be released as quad core variants on their enthusiast platform?

 

[humbug]

I'm not comparing AMD's 8 core against the 6900K, well i am... but the whole internet is, i don't know where on earth you got the idea that in all these things Zen was being compared to the 6800K, dg?

Anyway.... lets analyse this.

We all know the 6900K boost to 3.7Ghz (Yes DG as with everything compared to RyZen... the 6900K, not the 6800K)

So again:

RyZen 3.4Ghz (boost 'if any' unknown) = 2046

6900K boost = 3.7Ghz - Score = 2095 (+2%)
7700K boost = 4.5Ghz - Score = 2343 (+15%)

So single threaded the 7700K with 1.1Ghz higher clock (+30%) scores 15% higher.

The 6900K with 9% higher clock is 2% faster, the differences in performance between these two with the 6900K being a bit faster clock for clock than the 7700K could be due to it quad channel memory controller, the 7700K is only dual channel.

We have yet to see a RyZen benchmark with its boost turned on, could this be the first one? if so by how much was it boosting? without boost its about 5% per-clock faster than Broadwell with its DDR4, about 10 to 15% faster than Kaby Lake.

 

[SiDeards73]

This is EXACTLY what I posted earlier, RyZen at 3.4 is within spitting distance of the 6900k, if they put it on a mobo that allows the boost to work then at 3.7 it's ahead of the 6900k and closing in on the 7700k...

And that's the 3.7 one, there's a 4ghz XFR one above that.

Intel are in panic mode, AMD just caught them sleeping, their answer is to leak some rubbish on a new platform and grasp at straws by telling people to wait for a new chip this year that's 15% faster than their current guff.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

That makes a lot more sense but then what of mainstream platform? are Intel going to be abandoning it on the desktop? will the latest architectures be released as quad core variants on their enthusiast platform?

I dunno - AFAIK 6 cores are coming to mainstream next year,and all I can see this year is probably further clocked boosted versions of Skylake.

 

[Cromulent]

Just a quick question to everyone.

I've never really waited for a CPU to be released. When will AMD allow professional reviewers on place like Anandtech to release their benchmark scores to the public? Will it be on the day of release or will it be a day or two early? I'd like at least 24 hours to make up my mind on whether to buy a Ryzen CPU after looking at all the reviews but I'm worried it will sell out rather quickly with how much hype there is.

 

[SiDeards73]

Intel might make 6/12 mainstream next year, too late as AMD are doing it this year..

 

[Perfect_Chaos]

Coffee Lake has been brought forward to 2h of this year, apparently.

 

[mmj_uk]

I dunno - AFAIK 6 cores are coming to mainstream next year,and all I can see this year is probably further clocked boosted versions of Skylake.

Well they'll still make those processors and chipsets because of mobile platforms but I think it's going to be made largely redundant on desktop.

Intel might make 6/12 mainstream next year, too late as AMD are doing it this year..

As above, you'll probably get laptops with 6/12 cores and IGP in a couple of years but Intel are going to have to crash prices on their enthusiast 6/12 processors in order to compete with AMD, so who would buy mainstream if enthusiast is the same price or cheaper? I'm sure there'll be a few people who might need the IGP but the vast majority don't even use it.

 

[humbug]

Just a quick question to everyone.

I've never really waited for a CPU to be released. When will AMD allow professional reviewers on place like Anandtech to release their benchmark scores to the public? Will it be on the day of release or will it be a day or two early? I'd like at least 24 hours to make up my mind on whether to buy a Ryzen CPU after looking at all the reviews but I'm worried it will sell out rather quickly with how much hype there is.

AMD said they are already stock piling RyZen chips so there should be plenty to go round, you should never pre-order anything without knowing exactly what you are getting.

Reviews will hit on launch wich is between the 27'th Feb and 03 March, have a spring loaded F5 key whacker installed by then......

 

[KompuKare]

I was looking at the B350 motherboards and some of them have a VGA port on the backplate. That's just perverted.

No analogue video allowed with 10ft of Ryzens!

If it doesn't add much to price, why not?
Never know when a old port will be handy. Lots of business laptops still have VGA for driving projectors.
Recently came across a Win10 machine which had got itself into a hissy fit with it's USB ports: worked in the BIOS but not in Windows. Tried a bunch of things with offline registry editing but in the end went for a backup & re-install. If the machine had even one PS/2 port it would have saved a lot of hassle.

 

[Cromulent]

AMD said they are already stock piling RyZen chips so there should be plenty to go round, you should never pre-order anything without knowing exactly what you are getting.

Reviews will hit on launch wich is between the 27'th Feb and 03 March, have a spring loaded F5 key whacker installed by then......

Thanks . That sounds good. Looking forward to the benchmarks and reviews now .

 

[Hotwired]

Its only the 11th Feb right now.

 

[opethdisciple]

The big thing that AMD need to fix.... I know they've said they will improve Ryzen over the years.... but it MUST NOT take them 5+ years to deliver the true successor to Ryzen, or Intel will keep having the upper hand.

We all know that Intel will get back on top eventually. Their just bigger and more capable company. Best case scenario, Ryzen smashes Intel's current line up performance/price and we all go and start buying AMD again. Give it a little time and their be back. Their fix it in no time.

All this time I doubt they've wasted. They have ideas, plans and blue prints.

It's AMD that must figure out a way to maintain CONSTANCY! Intel already are.

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As an analogy think of the first Mcgregor vs Diaz fight. Mcgregor didn't prepare properly for Diaz as was a late contender and I think Mcgregor was preparing for a different weight class.

He lost. Ill prepared.

Fight two however was a different story. You get the idea.

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Intel will just enter fight two more prepared for a strong AMD. It's AMD who has to prove constancy.

 

[AlamoX]

The big thing that AMD need to fix.... I know they've said they will improve Ryzen over the years.... but it MUST NOT take them 5+ years to deliver the true successor to Ryzen, or Intel will keep having the upper hand.

We all know that Intel will get back on top eventually. Their just bigger and more capable company. Best case scenario, Ryzen smashes Intel's current line up performance/price and we all go and start buying AMD again. Give it until Intels next tick or tock in the cycle and their be back. Their fix it in no time.

All this time I doubt they've wasted. They have ideas, plans and blue prints.

It's AMD that must figure out a way to maintain CONSTANCY! Intel already are.

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As an analogy think of the first Mcgregor vs Diaz fight. Mcgregor didn't prepare properly for Diaz as was a late contender and I think Mcgregor was preparing for a different weight class.

He lost. Ill prepared.

Fight two however was a different story. You get the idea.

there is no more tick tock for intel, coffeelake was supposed to be on 10nm, but they made it 14nm instead, so yet another refresh if lucky you might get another 10% improvement, mostly from higher base clock.