*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***

[SiDeards73]

AMD have already said Zen is tock tock tock, architecture architecture architecture.

4 year roadmap with a new iteration each year.

 

[FredFlint]

AMD also must deal with applications that are compiled with the Intel compiler. This can have a big impact on performance for AMD, don’t know if it's still a problem but it was a big problem before.

 

[muon]

there is no more tick tock for intel, coffeelake was supposed to be on 10nm, but they made it 14nm instead, so yet another refresh if lucky you might get another 10% improvement, mostly from higher base clock.

Kaby Lake itself was actually a divergence from tick tock (shrink).

Sandybridge 32nm
Ivybridge 22nm
Haswell 22nm
Broadwell 14nm
Skylake 14nm
Kabylake 14nm <- supposed to shrink here
Coffeelake 14nm
Cannonlake 10nm

 

[Cromulent]

AMD also must deal with applications that are compiled with the Intel compiler. This can have a big impact on performance for AMD, don’t know if it's still a problem but it was a big problem before.

This is very true and is the one thing I'm worried about when it comes to switching to AMD. I just hope that most professional software and games are not compiled with the Intel compiler.

 

[opethdisciple]

AMD have already said Zen is tock tock tock, architecture architecture architecture.

4 year roadmap with a new iteration each year.

Thats just marketing speak for Tick, Tick, Tick. They cant create a new chip architecture each year. But they will iterate over Ryzen yearly.

Think about it, it took them 5 years to make Ryzen, they gonna do the same again but this time in a year? Nah.

 

[SiDeards73]

Yeah I kinda agree, I guess they will just refine each iteration and I believe a move to 7nm is included in that

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Thats just marketing speak for Tick, Tick, Tick. They cant create a new chip architecture each year. But they will iterate over Ryzen yearly.

Think about it, it took them 5 years to make Ryzen, they gonna do the same again but this time in a year? Nah.

What do you honestly think Intel has been doing all these years since the Core i7 920?? They have all been iterative improvements on the base uarch.

Even BD,has had something like three improvements to the line each bringing IPC improvements each generation. The reason we never saw these for AM3+ outside PD,was there was no suitable process node - 28NM bulk really wasn't a massive improvement over 32NM SOI in clockspeeds and 20NM was a failure.

AMD is saying their next new uarch is in 4 years with three Ryzen updates between the initial release and then.

Edit!!

IIRC,Haswell was the last major redesign but I could be wrong there.

 

[FredFlint]

This is very true and is the one thing I'm worried about when it comes to switching to AMD. I just hope that most professional software and games are not compiled with the Intel compiler.

It used to be one of the most popular, don’t know if it still is? It could be a real problem as at least some of the popular benchmarks use it. Hopefully it got difficult for Intel/software to hide so it was fixed.

 

[Spyhop]

This is very true and is the one thing I'm worried about when it comes to switching to AMD.

What about all the new Ryzen motherboards having v1.00 wet-behind-the-ears BIOSes?

 

[gavinh87]

What about all the new Ryzen motherboards having v1.00 wet-behind-the-ears BIOSes?

They absolutely nailed it first attempt?

 

[Cromulent]

It used to be one of the most popular, don’t know if it still is? It could be a real problem as at least some of the popular benchmarks use it. Hopefully it got difficult for Intel/software to hide so it was fixed.

Well time will tell when we see some real world performance results I guess.

What about all the new Ryzen motherboards having v1.00 wet-behind-the-ears BIOSes?

OK. Yeah. That is another thing to be worried about. At least it is easy to flash a UEFI / BIOS. Changing compiler from the Intel compiler to one which doesn't make AMD perform badly is a really tough job for a company to make so I'm more worried about the compiler.

 

[Harlequin]

Has anyone else seen that the `new` kaby lake (i5 with Ht) are S2066?

 

[muon]

Has anyone else seen that the `new` kaby lake (i5 with Ht) are S2066?

2066 will become mainstream.

Skylake X and Kaby Lake X won't command the price tags of Haswell-E/Broadwell-E.

 

[Harlequin]

2066 will become mainstream.

Skylake X and Kaby Lake X won't command the price tags of Haswell-E/Broadwell-E.

Intel plans are to replace Socket 2011 with 2066? how is that mainstream?

 

[Silent_Scone]

2066 will become mainstream.

Skylake X and Kaby Lake X won't command the price tags of Haswell-E/Broadwell-E.

2066 is not mainstream, it's due to supersede X99 this Q4

 

[muon]

Intel plans are to replace Socket 2011 with 2066? how is that mainstream?

I guess it depends on your definition of mainstream.

But 2066 will have to be used to compete against 8c/16t Ryzen unless 1151 can support 6c/12t processors and above.

2066 is not mainstream, it's due to supersede X99 this Q4

We won't be seeing X99 pricing anymore.

 

[Silent_Scone]

I guess it depends on your definition of mainstream.

But 2066 will have to be used to compete against 8c/16t Ryzen unless 1151 can support 6c/12t processors and above.



We won't be seeing X99 pricing anymore.

Heh, that's a cute thought .

I'll drink that cool aid, but don't get your hopes up...

 

[muon]

Heh, that's a cute thought .

I'll drink that cool aid, but don't get your hopes up...

Kaby Lake i5 being launched on 2066 means exactly that.

It signals Intel launching 6c/12t processors and above at more reasonable prices.

 

[Perfect_Chaos]

We won't be seeing X99 pricing anymore.

Ram and x99 CPU prices have gone up a fair bit compared to what they were earlier in 2016 though.

 

[~>Dg<~]

Ram and x99 CPU prices have gone up a fair bit compared to what they were earlier in 2016 though.

yes brexit and gouging caused this.

thing is people will think new amd cpus will lower it. they wont.new intel platform will arrive take the place of x99 and carry on charging for it.