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*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***
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NDA and Reviews up on the 28th February, Stock available for sale from March 2nd according to Reddit, so take with a pinch of salt.
Caporegime
Its a 6 core 12 thread RyZen chip vs a 6 core 12 thread Broadwell chip, the Ryzen chip is slightly ahead, of course the IPC of the Ryzen chip is better.
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That 6 core score is great 95 watt too this hype i am finding it difficult to hold on here
So tempted to sell one of my 4790k builds while there still at a good price 2nd hand.... decisions decisions....
So tempted to sell one of my 4790k builds while there still at a good price 2nd hand.... decisions decisions....
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Its a 6 core 12 thread RyZen chip vs a 6 core 12 thread Broadwell chip, the Ryzen chip is slightly ahead, of course the IPC of the Ryzen chip is better.
IPC is a little generic, there will be places where RyZen will outperform Broadwell, but in the flip side on others Broadwell will have the upper hand. However from how it's looking in most desktop use cases and a lot of server use cases RyZen will be close to (if not better than) Broadwell clock for clock.
The TDP and the (rumored) pricing will be the icing on the cake, and will really bring the hurt to intel for the next 6-12m. And that's without the APUs available
Soldato
Gaming perf will be Zens making or downfall.
Soldato
Yeah, i'm guessing it will be for most people here, including myself. I'm hoping we see a few gaming benchmarks getting 'leaked' over the next few days.
Issue here is that a lot of modern games will run as fast on a good i3 as an i7. The proof will be in the CPU intensive games like Ashes of the Singularity ect.
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Can't see it being an issue, from the leaks it appears to have really decent single threaded performance, on par with overclocked Intel CPUs of previous tens.
If those previous gen CPUs are still fine, Zen will be fine.
As we move closer towards more multithread stuff Zen will really shine.
Also bear in mind most people still game at 1080p, most CPUs can push decent performance at that Res anyhow.
If anything Zen is the smarter move especially if your on a budget, you basically get double the cores for similar price, and close performance, what's not to like?
Seriously anyone buying Intel now is only doing it for a high clocking i3, i5 or i7 that's going to be better in single threaded stuff but soundly smashed in multithreaded stuff, unless you exclusively use single threaded software there is no point buying Kabylake right now imho.
A question I had was, due to the nature of Ryzens design, it should be possible to update the chip via firmware type updates? If so does anyone think there potentially more performance to be gained with refinement to the firmware over time?
If those previous gen CPUs are still fine, Zen will be fine.
As we move closer towards more multithread stuff Zen will really shine.
Also bear in mind most people still game at 1080p, most CPUs can push decent performance at that Res anyhow.
If anything Zen is the smarter move especially if your on a budget, you basically get double the cores for similar price, and close performance, what's not to like?
Seriously anyone buying Intel now is only doing it for a high clocking i3, i5 or i7 that's going to be better in single threaded stuff but soundly smashed in multithreaded stuff, unless you exclusively use single threaded software there is no point buying Kabylake right now imho.
A question I had was, due to the nature of Ryzens design, it should be possible to update the chip via firmware type updates? If so does anyone think there potentially more performance to be gained with refinement to the firmware over time?
Caporegime
After all the leaks, assuming they are true i can't see not performing well in games, it would have to be performing well in everything but games and i think CAT had a few CPC Game benchmarks posted a couple weeks ago, from what i remember it looked pretty good in those too.
new leak about asrock and msi mobo line up, MSI seem to have an mATX mobo at launch, also i think asrock pricing is kinda steep though, 400€ for taichi and 470€ for prof gaming...
guess between mobo and ram prices thats enough to cancel Ryzen price value.
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guess between mobo and ram prices thats enough to cancel Ryzen price value.
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Those prices are ridiculous, there's 3 Matx Asrock boards on that list, but the prices are laughable at best
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Indeed. Even if they are including the VAT (21% I believe over there) and then adjusting to £ they are ridiculously priced. I thought these motherboards were less complex due to most of the stuff being on the CPU rather than chipset!
Yeah they should be cheaper to design /produce that being said....
Release day pricing for any new / exciting is always over the top. Give it a few weeks and they will be where they should be. As long as they are not more expensive compared to Intels offerings everything should be OK sales wise.
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The expensive asrock motherboard has 5gb lan port on it which I think will be pushing up the price. I was interested in that board but not at that price!
Soldato
Trouble is, in a few weeks we'll have triggered article 50, and no doubt that will be a great excuse for the £ to tank even more meaning prices will be going up, possibly offsetting any settling of the prices after initial launch
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Trouble is, in a few weeks we'll have triggered article 50, and no doubt that will be a great excuse for the £ to tank even more meaning prices will be going up, possibly offsetting any settling of the prices after initial launch
Sure but any change to the pounds value will push prices of all components. Both amd and Intel motherboards will get x% more expensive. So really the relative differences between the two will stay the same (after initial price inflation for it being a new product)
I get paid in $ so happy days for me
Caporegime
Oh.... the Z270 TOMAHAWK looks the same as this, now at least i know how much it costs.... :S
This one....
Soldato
Yeah the conversion from the leaks of the US site isn't so bad, but I was referring to the European leaks of the AsRock ones.
Although the AMD Tomahawk seems to have a few less I/O etc than the Intel equivalent
Sure but any change to the pounds value will push prices of all components. Both amd and Intel motherboards will get x% more expensive. So really the relative differences between the two will stay the same (after initial price inflation for it being a new product)
I get paid in $ so happy days for me
Oh I know everything will go up, whichever way you look at it though it means even more expense, and when you're working with a fixed budget it can mean the difference between buying or not!
Soldato
Well the 1600X 6c/12t really wallops the FX8350 at 5GHz in Cinebench (no surprise).
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