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*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***

we, no it wasnt - it was excavator - piledriver might be 64% and steamroller/bulldozer before those might be into the 70's.

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That's the thing. In the footnotes it clearly states 52% was piledriver. Excavator is 64%. Hence that being a bit of a flub...unless deliberate. Should be the other way around me thinks, as correct me if I'm wrong but Excavator is faster?
See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN2X16Aqwls&t=1s around 2mins 20secs

Either way, seems there's been a bit of a flub in the figures somewhere! I'm tied up at the moment so crossreferencing not the easiest for me right now :)

In other words, they originally said 40% faster than Excavator, it's now 52-64% faster, and Adored is the only one I've seen picking that up in the footnotes.
 
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That means AMD beat its 40% improvement over Excavator it touted lasted year by 30% which is huge. Is it me or was AMD trying to be sly so not to tip off Intel??


AMD have had to keep things very hush on Zen, Intel are a giant and can make a come back, but a giant needs time and AMD have done such a good job at keeping this under wraps that any retaliation from Intel will take time and like AMD say, its just the start, I sure for one welcome the good old days back where AMD were around 50% processor market share and more in the gaming arena. :)
 
AMD have had to keep things very hush on Zen, Intel are a giant and can make a come back, but a giant needs time and AMD have done such a good job at keeping this under wraps that any retaliation from Intel will take time and like AMD say, its just the start, I sure for one welcome the good old days back where AMD were around 50% processor market share and more in the gaming arena. :)

Totally agree, better competition can only benefit us.
 
AMD have had to keep things very hush on Zen, Intel are a giant and can make a come back, but a giant needs time and AMD have done such a good job at keeping this under wraps that any retaliation from Intel will take time and like AMD say, its just the start, I sure for one welcome the good old days back where AMD were around 50% processor market share and more in the gaming arena. :)

You got a 1700 @ 4ghz, i understand amd must keep quiet on their products.

You have the chip and benchmark software so what do you think yeah or ney regarding the chip and what it rivals?

Just a simple yes or no if you think the chip will be against the competition.
 
When you look at pricing over the years. Way back when Intel tried insane pricing on the Q6xxx chips, the Q6600 which most people knew as epic value, launched at something like $850, consumers said **** *** Intel and within like 3 or 4 months that chip was $250 or so which at the time was like £170. This is what happens when consumers actually use their purchasing power. Costs for Intel did not drop by 2/3rds in the space of 3 months, literally zero chance of that. That was Intel trying to take the micky and being told by the consumer quite literally go **** yourself. It would be great if consumers actually realised they had this power, always had this power and started using this power.

£170 super fast single cores, these were replaced on a new node by £170 dual cores, then they were replaced with faster dual cores at the same price, then we got quad cores, again at the same prices, then we got faster quads at about the same price, even cheaper. I got a 2500k I'm fairly sure for £135, though I think that was maybe about peak pound power so probably similar real cost to the Q6600. Then we got, not much faster quads... for a noticeably higher cost... when did that happen, and why, and why didn't consumers just say no to it? THe Q6600 was actually a genuinely great chip and a large performance bump from previous chips but the cost was so bad consumers said no, but a few years later we get 5-10% bump 3rd or 4th gen quads with which the cost went up loads and consumers didn't say no.

Now we are literally back to £180 dual cores from Intel.... and the consumer still kept saying yes, kept making excuses. There is no competition, competition doesn't set prices, consumer does. Again there was a time that a genuinely next gen, much faster, quad core chip was $800 and the consumer forced it to $250 after a few months of bad sales because the price was too high. Now somehow dual cores have gone from the what £30-100 bracket they used to occupy, to £180 from Intel and the consumer just accepted it.





I'm fairly sure what actually was said is that it's AT LEAST 52% faster. Basically if you compare Zen to Excavator, the absolute slower it is, is 52% faster clock for clock, it's seemingly up to 78% faster in one benchmark, though I forget which benchmark.

So true we do have the power wish peeps would use it more ...
 
You got a 1700 @ 4ghz, i understand amd must keep quiet on their products.

You have the chip and benchmark software so what do you think yeah or ney regarding the chip and what it rivals?

Just a simple yes or no if you think the chip will be against the competition.


I am already pushing the boundaries are what were supposed to say, we are happy with performance, we won't release benchmark results because as a company we cannot be seen siding with Intel or AMD when there is limited performance data in this area. It could get us into trouble from AMD for revealing such data and it could upset Intel if we are seen supporting AMD over them.

We need to remain neutral!

The press will be publishing reviews soon, they have their press kits, so not long to wait. :)
 
I am already pushing the boundaries are what were supposed to say, we are happy with performance, we won't release benchmark results because as a company we cannot be seen siding with Intel or AMD when there is limited performance data in this area. It could get us into trouble from AMD for revealing such data and it could upset Intel if we are seen supporting AMD over them.

We need to remain neutral!

The press will be publishing reviews soon, they have their press kits, so not long to wait. :)

Thanks for the info you have given. Must be exciting times in the office :)
 
GIBBO - As you have tested the asus crosshair motherboard, do you think the capacitors near/around the CPU heatsink will get in the way with some coolers? I have got a noctua AM4 mounting kit for my NH-D15S cooler but when I look at how it connects to the motherboard, im worried it will interfere with the capacitors? I have already pre-ordered the CPU and really want the crosshair but concerned about the cooling solution....
Thanks if you can answer this, I really appreciate it.
 
I understand gibbo,

Anyways i want to buy a 1700 and what motherboard would you recommend (cheapest as possible) as well as the cpu cooler, will stock cooler do it any justice in keeping it cool enough at 4ghz?
 
Looking at pre-ordering this... any feedback?

My budget is around 800 but I could push to 900 as I'm getting it on finance anyway.

My basket at Overclockers UK:

Total: £748.92
(includes shipping: £0.00)


Though I don't think that cooler will fit my H440 =/​
 
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So a blast from the past, who remembers these:

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AMD had something like ten world wide, I got one and I still have it on my desk some ten years later. :D

Was there last truly great processor!
 
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