*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Choo choo - hype train just went maglev!

Its Ryzen!!

 

[Panos]

Its Ryzen!!

And that is just the start

On the first day of creation, Lord Keller said, "Let there be 8 core mobile chips" and 8 core mobile chips appeared as a thing separate from Intel's poo dual cores. (Ryzen Genesis 1:3)

 

[Silent_Scone]

I wouldn't say it will have the same IPC as Skylake at the same clocks, if you take IPC as a whole. It might well have the same or even better performance in specific benchmarks as that quote said. From the leaks in the what 4-5 leading up to the semi soft/hard launch it was starting to look like Zen is an integer monster while probably lacking a little in general FP performance although it should get destroyed in anything that can use AVX512 as Intel support it and AMD don't. Saying that almost nothing 'home' use, certainly not gaming and most benchmarks don't use AVX512 so it's not really a big issue. I would suspect the benchies showing 7700k beating single thread performance will be something heavily if not exclusively integer based.

That's not a bad thing of course, just saying, it's fairly unlikely a 1800x with identical all cores clocks beats the 7700k overall or in general, just a few corner case results, the key thing is it will be way closer than Intel wants and most importantly, close enough that it really doesn't make a difference to the end user but the 4 extra cores or vastly cheaper price(on a 6/4 core version) is worth so much more than losing out by 3-5% in some benchmarks.


Though again it's worth noting my previous post which was a link to a article showing that 6/8/10 core Broadwell-e beats a 7700k in MOST newer games now, because more cores is absolutely beating more clock speed in most modern games. I'll point out again the only one I remember them showing the 7700k winning, was by such a small amount as to be nearly insignificantly while the 7700k was sometimes significantly behind even the 6 core Broadwell-e.

Fair comment, and I don't think anyone should base their own requirement choices on AVX512.

 

[Troezar]

Choo choo - hype train just went maglev!

Lol I'd love to board the hype train but finances dictate otherwise, probably be ready for Zen2 though

 

[loxocemus]

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Lol I'd love to board the hype train but finances dictate otherwise, probably be ready for Zen2 though

im giving away my current pc so im at the station, cash in hand, for a ticket to the fastest train to arrive

 

[Lokken86]

for joe bloggs, if the 1700x is all its made out to be is it a better buy than the 7700k, the joe bloggs with no knowledge or care about vrms or need of vast oc'ing, but the joe bloggs that needs a new pc... (1700x/£390,7700k/£330)

I think the fact that it is 8 core with hyperthreading is worth the extra £60 to many. That's going to make it outrun the 7700k by a country mile in the future.

 

[Hagar]

The reason that ASUS had the best midrange FX support for overclocking was not just the power phases. It was the excellent control of load line calibration for the CPU and CPU/NB. Gigabyte had none or nothing like it.

Effective load line calibration meant that I could run an FX8350 at 16 x 300MHz on the M5A99X Evo and bench at over 5GHz. My crosshair V eventually failed and I currently run an FX9590 on a £65 Asrock board but only just.

 

[Bonjour]

Dont exaggerate its is 29 hours....

Now now, let's not be silly. We all know there's only 27 hours in a day.

 

[loxocemus]

I think the fact that it is 8 core with hyperthreading is worth the extra £60 to many. That's going to make it outrun the 7700k by a country mile in the future.

ideally id like to get 4 years out of it to make to the expense worthwhile, so as "future proof" as possible is a consideration

 

[Panos]

Now now, let's not be silly. We all know there's only 27 hours in a day.

468 days per year.

 

[Erik13]

From one of the biggest Hardware publications in Turkey apparently.
Saw this video earlier but I couldn't understand what was being said. However someone has translated some of what was said thankfully.

This is the video; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhKmeCdB914

To sum up the things he stated;

"Overclock is no problem at all. Though we can not say a certain frequency due to NDA, I can say that it is impressive. Overclockers will be happy."
"I have friends from AMD Engineering department due to my experience in the hardware industry. Zen 2 or Zen B will be even more competitive. So we can say that Intel shall brood on the future"
"With our overclocked 1800x sample,under Noctua cooler given by AMD, we have passed beyond the stock single thread performance of 7700k, in a specific bench, and the temps were great. We had no concern about temps during our run which passes the ST performance of 7700k."
"In some benchmarks AMD(!). It seems ironical yes but AMD is presenting a CPU performance that Intel can not keep up with even with their 10 core 6950x!"
"Breaking NDA won't be a problem since the scores are beyond fantastic. But we will stick with the tradition."
"With one click I can reach great OC's. So I won't really bother with the manual OC no more."
"Single thread score will be so great. According to this performance we can say that 7700K will be history, even for gaming, from now on" he said.
"Intel shall shake themself. Because Ryzen will be a great choice for Overclock enthusiast."

Indeed this site has deep relationship with Amd and is the largest one in Turkey when it comes to hardware also is very reliable. So i will say that probably all this info is 100 percent true cause they rn't gossip site or anything like that. Seems Amd really hit homerun with Ryzen i mean i have yet to find anything negative maybe the boards and that is it

 

[loxocemus]

Indeed this site has deep relationship with Amd and is the largest one in Turkey when it comes to hardware also is very reliable. So i will say that probably all this info is 100 percent true cause they rn't gossip site or anything like that. Seems Amd really hit homerun with Ryzen i mean i have yet to find anything negative maybe the boards and that is it

does this mean intel price drops will follow do u think....

 

[Panos]

Indeed this site has deep relationship with Amd and is the largest one in Turkey when it comes to hardware also mostly reliable. So i will say that probably all this info is 100 percent true they rn't gossip site or anythign like that. Seems Amd really hit homerun with Ryzen

If they are true, that means all these 5.1Ghz and 5.2Ghz during launch date, while NDA is still holding, were just for the sake to break the records and just to add bit more hype.
And we going to see much better overclocking underwater than the "standard 4.1Ghz-4.2Ghz". Also lets not forget the AMD CPU overclocking software tested has max settings above the 6.3Ghz, and the 5.2Ghz chip tested was F1 stepping.
While we know the production models have higher than F4 stepping.

 

[Panos]

does this mean intel price drops will follow do u think....

Intel will have to cut the prices 40% if not more. That will create a lot of angry people who just a week ago bought a H-E/B-E at the inflated prices.
And if they do so, the Kaby Lake will have to chop a hefty 40% at minimum also. Or you will have 6900K at the same price of the 7700K and the 6850K going cheaper......

While will make the top of the range motherboards more expensive than the CPUs!

 

[loxocemus]

Intel will have to cut the prices 40% if not more. That will create a lot of angry people who just a week ago bought a H-E/B-E at the inflated prices.
And if they do so, the Kaby Lake will have to chop a hefty 40% at minimum also. Or you will have 6900K at the same price of the 7700K and the 6850K going cheaper......

While will make the top of the range motherboards more expensive than the CPUs!

then let there be war

 

[FredFlint]

I don't think Intel will drop prices much unless sales fall off a cliff.

 

[Erik13]

Btw seems somebody asked if Ryzen ( 1800x ) can manage Gta V his answer was that it could even manage Gta Viii adding that the results were phenomenal

 

[loxocemus]

Btw seems somebody asked if Ryzen ( 1800x ) can manage Gta V his answer was that it could even manage Gta Viii adding that the results were phenomenal

thank god feb only has 28days, the wait the wait

 

[loxocemus]

I don't think Intel will drop prices much unless sales fall off a cliff.

or customer after customer demanding a refund on the former worlds best they just paid thru the nose for...

ps iv never even owned an amd cpu, all intel, ryzen would be my first and im surprisingly nervous to make the switch

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

From the reddit thread on the YT video:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/5w0at9/ryzen_oc_potential_read_this_translation_to_fuel/

That's roughly what they say in the video. But I would like to clear up some things.

I don't think he says he won't bother with manual oc anymore. He says "I can reach a fairly nice overclock with one click. You don't need to bother with manual OC"

He explicitly states that SC performance is still behind 7700K, but with OC and in one specific test it passes even 7700K in single core performance.

He also says with OC, the CPU has simply no competition and that not even 10 core 6950x can keep up with the Ryzen when OC'ed.