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*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***
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god knows when.
Great bit of AMD history Long article but a good read from Josh Walrath
https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Editorial/Zen-and-Art-CPU-Design#comment-317833
https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Editorial/Zen-and-Art-CPU-Design#comment-317833
As nasty as it is for gamers, it does show the Enterprise section that AMD has a CPU on par at lower power usage. So there's that.
Sadly the stock price took a real nasty damn hit; but it's slowly climbing again.
Not from OCUK, other places.
I was in there this afternoon picking up a couple of bits up for another build , ended up picking up a ASUS PRIME B350-PLUS and a 1700 , nearly pre ordered the cpu from here but saved a tenner on the cpu by just walking into shop on launch day instead of pre ordering and waiting longer.
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There's nothing broken* about the gaming benchmarks. DX12, Vulkan etc are still immature API's. 9.9/10 games still run better using DX11 which is very core and IPC dependant. I agree with the article which someone posted that said that the industry has been optimizing for Intel. Makes sense. AMD for the last 5 years have definitely not been the gamers choice for CPUs. The i5 was still the gamers choice and those wanting a tad more or running multi GPU where the only ones who saw any benefit.
The problem is that for the gaming industry to catch up with AMD we might be looking at a good year. (By which time the standard in the industry will be multicore and Intel would have moved in themselves to 6-8 core mainstream chips)
This is the way it always goes. AMD come to market with next gen philosophies ahead of market requirements. Intel / Nvidia are more about the here and now.
Just two different philosophies.
What games coming out this year are going to be top to bottom full API DX12? I bet zero. How many more games are coming out this year using Vulkan?
On top of that the gaming performance is hardly terrible even if it is sometimes slower than say the 7600k.
If I was buying a CPU now.... I'd still go Ryzen even tho for a pure gaming system the 7700k is the faster CPU in CURRENT games.
My 3570k is 5 years old now. So will the 7700k still be faster than the 1700x in 5 years? Maybe not.
The problem is that for the gaming industry to catch up with AMD we might be looking at a good year. (By which time the standard in the industry will be multicore and Intel would have moved in themselves to 6-8 core mainstream chips)
This is the way it always goes. AMD come to market with next gen philosophies ahead of market requirements. Intel / Nvidia are more about the here and now.
Just two different philosophies.
What games coming out this year are going to be top to bottom full API DX12? I bet zero. How many more games are coming out this year using Vulkan?
On top of that the gaming performance is hardly terrible even if it is sometimes slower than say the 7600k.
If I was buying a CPU now.... I'd still go Ryzen even tho for a pure gaming system the 7700k is the faster CPU in CURRENT games.
My 3570k is 5 years old now. So will the 7700k still be faster than the 1700x in 5 years? Maybe not.
oh, well its disappointing to know that other places are getting orders out and ocUK are falling short, even on the early preorders like mine
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Gotta say I dislike what they're saying as an excuse to be honest. It's not good releasing something then stating "well, if games had this and that implemented things would be different"....... Not slating their processors though as they are competitive on pricing but don't like what they're saying as an excuse. What we need is game code that works well with all chips and GPU's - not customised to one manufacturer. Longer term if the featuers are implemented then good but again that here and now performance is lacking a little.
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There's nothing broken* about the gaming benchmarks. DX12, Vulkan etc are still immature API's. 9.9/10 games still run better using DX11 which is very core and IPC dependant. I agree with the article which someone posted that said that the industry has been optimizing for Intel. Makes sense. AMD for the last 5 years have definitely not been the gamers choice for CPUs. The i5 was still the gamers choice and those wanting a tad more or running multi GPU where the only ones who saw any benefit.
The problem is that for the gaming industry to catch up with AMD we might be looking at a good year. (By which time the standard in the industry will be multicore and Intel would have moved in themselves to 6-8 core mainstream chips)
This is the way it always goes. AMD come to market with next gen philosophies ahead of market requirements. Intel / Nvidia are more about the here and now.
Just two different philosophies.
What games coming out this year are going to be top to bottom full API DX12? I bet zero. How many more games are coming out this year using Vulkan?
On top of that the gaming performance is hardly terrible even if it is sometimes slower than say the 7600k.
If I was buying a CPU now.... I'd still go Ryzen even tho for a pure gaming system the 7700k is the faster CPU in CURRENT games.
My 3570k is 5 years old now. So will the 7700k still be faster than the 1700x in 5 years? Maybe not.
The problem is that for the gaming industry to catch up with AMD we might be looking at a good year. (By which time the standard in the industry will be multicore and Intel would have moved in themselves to 6-8 core mainstream chips)
This is the way it always goes. AMD come to market with next gen philosophies ahead of market requirements. Intel / Nvidia are more about the here and now.
Just two different philosophies.
What games coming out this year are going to be top to bottom full API DX12? I bet zero. How many more games are coming out this year using Vulkan?
On top of that the gaming performance is hardly terrible even if it is sometimes slower than say the 7600k.
If I was buying a CPU now.... I'd still go Ryzen even tho for a pure gaming system the 7700k is the faster CPU in CURRENT games.
My 3570k is 5 years old now. So will the 7700k still be faster than the 1700x in 5 years? Maybe not.
Lisa Su is doing an Ask Us Anything on reddit. some interesting replies. Top comment is about the SMT issues
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/5x4hxu/we_are_amd_creators_of_athlon_radeon_and_other/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/5x4hxu/we_are_amd_creators_of_athlon_radeon_and_other/
Some companies dispatch up to midnight for next day delivery. Included clothing website, etc.
For better or for worse, this seems to be the AMD promise through and through as the same thing is said about their GPU's..always tipped to be better in the long run, but never at that moment.
Personally I think AMD need to focus on delivering products that deliver the performance now and today, not at some point in the future when their rivals have just released something faster anyway.
Zen certainly shows a lot of promise though and I am looking forward to their 2018 revision where they can hopefully up the IPC, clocks, overclocking and game performance a bit to make it a true rival for Intel's fastest.
The best thing about Zen is the price and the fact it has clearly made Intel think twice.
It makes their current X99 platform prices look pretty expensive.
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I couldn't bring myself to 'upgrade' from my 3570k to a 7700k for the simple reason it's 4 cores to 4 cores even if you get HT.
Just feels like a missed opportunity.
Originally I waited for Bulldozer before buying the 3570k but at the time the gaming performance was terrible on the Bulldozer.
This time around I'm ready for more cores. The API's are here they just need some maturity and implementation.
Just feels like a missed opportunity.
Originally I waited for Bulldozer before buying the 3570k but at the time the gaming performance was terrible on the Bulldozer.
This time around I'm ready for more cores. The API's are here they just need some maturity and implementation.
Got rid of my 3770k on Monday for a good price.
Ordered a 1700 yesterday, comes tomorrow, 16gb of ddr4 for £70 came today, found a msi tomahawk for £110 , not what i wanted but it will be here tomorrow.
Will tide me over till the boards mature and are in stock
Ordered a 1700 yesterday, comes tomorrow, 16gb of ddr4 for £70 came today, found a msi tomahawk for £110 , not what i wanted but it will be here tomorrow.
Will tide me over till the boards mature and are in stock
Stick a Noctua NH-U12S SE-AM4 with that order and its exactly the same as my order!
Ordered it about 4:45 and its all coming tomorrow.
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Few other vendors didn't want it stated, one was happy so posted . again no intension of bad wishes to ocuk as again, they pretty much get the most stock of anything that rakes a voltage
