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*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***

eyetrip said:
Pretty much only just finished installing all my apps, so the only kind of test of any kind I did was a quick cinebench run.

My idle temps seem to be in high 20s. Running cinebench it got up to 41.

Think score was about 12k. That struck me as a bit low?
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IIRC mine scored about 1250 out of the box. Somewhere around 1560 once I spent some time getting the ram as close to its rated frequency as I could and adding a 600mhz overclock
 
Legend said:
Are we going to be seeing more new motherboard releases anytime soon, or is what has been put there our lot for now? I'm somewhat underwhelmed with the offerings, would like to see a X370 version of the Arctic personally.
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Its a tacked on certainty that we will see new boards in Apr-Jun timeframe. The big boys won't release the flagship boards until the dust has settled.
 
Not Sure if anybody is following the Stilt thread over at anandtech ....Its very interesting

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/ryzen-strictly-technical.2500572/

Good to know M$ are Fully supporting there latest os :(

seems where better of running are ryzens in Win 7 ...gotta love Win 7...

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"I did some 3D testing and even thou there is not nearly enough data to confirm it, I'd say the SMT regression is infact a Windows 10 related issue.
In 3D testing I did recently on Windows 10, the title which illustrated the biggest SMT regression was Total War: Warhammer.

All of these were recorded at 3.5GHz, 2133MHz MEMCLK with R9 Nano:

Windows 10 - 1080 Ultra DX11:

8C/16T - 49.39fps (Min), 72.36fps (Avg)
8C/8T - 57.16fps (Min), 72.46fps (Avg)

Windows 7 - 1080 Ultra DX11:

8C/16T - 62.33fps (Min), 78.18fps (Avg)
8C/8T - 62.00fps (Min), 73.22fps (Avg)

At the moment this is just pure speculation as there were variables, which could not be isolated.
Windows 10 figures were recorded using PresentMon (OCAT), however with Windows 7 it was necessary to use Fraps."
 
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IFW said:
Games like WoW (or anything with frequent code patches) would get updated, if it made commercial sense.
I have very little doubt that Blizzard, EA (Origin), UPlay (Ubisoft) not mention companies selling via Steam have up to date information on the hardware configurations being used by their active players.
Once/if Ryzen reaches critical mass in those stats, optimizing code for Ryzen will be done. Until then, the ball is on AMD's side to incentivize the developers/publishers. Regardless of that, older games will be an uphill battle and unlikely to happen not just for financial, but technical reasons as well. Hence my suggestion to make a game detecting CPU driver if it turns out to be needed even after the OS scheduler fix.
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Agreed,and your suggestions makes sense. I have been trying to explain to people they need to take the Ryzen gaming results for what they are,and whilst there is room for improvements,it might take time and not happen in all cases.
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Agreed,and your suggestions makes sense. I have been trying to explain to people they need to take the Ryzen gaming results for what they are,and whilst there is room for improvements,it might take time and not happen in all cases.
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One major plus for AMD is their new partnership with Bethesda; which use to be an NVIDIA partner, for some games.
They claimed they're already working closely with them, so their current popular games might get needed updates; never mind any future titles being worked on.

Doom is a great example, it went from NVIDIA showcasing it first to show off how well the GTX 1080 can run the game; to AMD working with them on Vulkan's implementation.
There's certainly some promising things to come from that; and AMD has always needed to work on their relationships with developers more. I hope this means they're going to be more aggressive there.
 
Did a quick play with Oc.

Used docp setting for memories 2800 xmp setting and put the frequency to 2666.

Set cpu to 40 multi and adjusted a few voltage settings to give me around 1.33-1.35v

Quick run of cinebench gave me 1667.

No idea how stable that is, but am going to see tomorrow what I can get at 1.25-1.3v.

Would like to know how to Oc but also have cpu downclock when doing nothing
 
How are people liking returning to PGA? It has always been my favoured socket. I realise some builders may have only used Intel LGA.
 
N19h7m4r3 said:
One major plus for AMD is their new partnership with Bethesda; which use to be an NVIDIA partner, for some games.
They claimed they're already working closely with them, so their current popular games might get needed updates; never mind any future titles being worked on.

Doom is a great example, it went from NVIDIA showcasing it first to show off how well the GTX 1080 can run the game; to AMD working with them on Vulkan's implementation.
There's certainly some promising things to come from that; and AMD has always needed to work on their relationships with developers more. I hope this means they're going to be more aggressive there.
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I think my main gripe is AMD underhyped the non-gaming bits and overhyped the gaming bits.

If they had not directly compared it to a Core i7 6900K and tried to hint it was the same performance in games,I expect there would have been less disappointment. In fact I could argue they should have compared it to a FX9590 and showed how much Ryzen was improved over Bulldozer uarch CPUs for gaming even in CPU limited scenarios like online gaming or RTS games.
 
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nkata said:
How are people liking returning to PGA? It has always been my favoured socket. I realise some builders may have only used Intel LGA.
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Looking forward to it, should bring back a lot of overclocking memories if nothing else, mainly making lots of mess with dielectric grease :p
 
harney said:
Not Sure if anybody is following the Stilt thread over at anandtech ....Its very interesting

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/ryzen-strictly-technical.2500572/

Good to know M$ are Fully supporting there latest os :(

seems where better of running are ryzens in Win 7 ...gotta love Win 7...

I quote

"I did some 3D testing and even thou there is not nearly enough data to confirm it, I'd say the SMT regression is infact a Windows 10 related issue.
In 3D testing I did recently on Windows 10, the title which illustrated the biggest SMT regression was Total War: Warhammer.

All of these were recorded at 3.5GHz, 2133MHz MEMCLK with R9 Nano:

Windows 10 - 1080 Ultra DX11:

8C/16T - 49.39fps (Min), 72.36fps (Avg)
8C/8T - 57.16fps (Min), 72.46fps (Avg)

Windows 7 - 1080 Ultra DX11:

8C/16T - 62.33fps (Min), 78.18fps (Avg)
8C/8T - 62.00fps (Min), 73.22fps (Avg)

At the moment this is just pure speculation as there were variables, which could not be isolated.
Windows 10 figures were recorded using PresentMon (OCAT), however with Windows 7 it was necessary to use Fraps."
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Guru 3d also mentioned about turning off hyperthreading for performance. You shouldn't need to do stuff like that.
 
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