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*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***

Willis said:
I might get a 1700 at some stage and see how they compare but for the moment I'm just keeping it at stock.
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I have my 1800x running at 3.90 GHz. At stock with all settings on auto in bios in will run at 3.73Ghz with the extremely rare 4.15GHz popping up ever now and again for a couple of seconds but its ver rare for the 4.15GHz. 3.73 is constant even at idle.
 
Looking forward to Finally getting my Kit this week..

Should have probably opted for the Prime B350 board rather than the MSi once since they have been in stock since day one!

Hopefully I'll be... *ahem*... ryzen above the levels of my haswell sysyem by the end of the week...
 
Do we know how much the X chips are boosting then?

My thoughts are to get the 1700X over the 1700 as I don't really want to do any manual overclocks and just want to stick a good cooler on top and leave it be.

For a pure gaming system, 1700 or 1700X?
 
Minus1337 said:
I've been a bit lazy and not done a clean install of Windows for the Ryzen streaming PC and there is an annoying audio popping issue from the optical link from the gaming PC to the streaming PC that wasn't there before. Going to bite the bullet tonight and reformat it and then slowly work on OC. Goal is 4.1Ghz for my 1700x :)
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Let us know how that goes as I have the same stuff on order. Hoping for 4Ghz with out much effort (fingers crossed).
 
Still waiting for my board and ram to arrive should be here today.
I could have gone to kaby lake and most people would have told me to aswell (144hz) but the games that do benefit from a higher refresh rate are easy to run I play overwatch and cs:go. Ryzen can handle these no problem.
As stated above kaby is fine if you like to change a system often. I have no problem with that but my wife would! I think anyone looking for longevity would benefit from ryzen, yeah I'm taking a performance hit now but I'm sure it will come good in the long run.
I had a similar decision with the e8400 vs q6600. I went for the dual and ended up wishing I grabbed the quad :(
 
harney said:
Not sure if this is any good but interesting results if its true

http://www.zolkorn.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-7-1800x-vs-intel-core-i7-7700k-mhz-by-mhz-core-by-core/
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Made a summary of that:
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Okay, most of those are won by the Intel but then price-wise the rumoured Ryzen 4C/8T are the 5-1400X and 5-1300 and their price is meant to be $199 and $175 which is about the same as the i5-7500 which it should be easily outperform for most things. Except perhaps the worst threaded games like Bethesda FO4 and Skyrim but then as much as like TES games, I have been calling Bethesda Bugsoft for years as the fans modders have to fix almost everything.
 
Frozennova said:
My bad the 1.37v I saw quoted was what reviewers was told
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No worries, I did go check before spreading the wrong info but it still in the first post of OcUK benching Ryzen thread so if they are saying so I will happily take that and if I have any issues down line will come back to that accordingly (i.e make a screenshot now for future reference ;) )
 
Ayahuasca said:
But things like smoothness can be measured with frame times. I'm not for a second saying Ryzen isn't smooth but why not just do some frame time tests as that's directly correlated to how smooth games will feel? You've got to give people actual evidence not just anecdotal. I mean you could ask the majority of people on this forum if their setup felt smooth and they'd probably say yes but if put some of those people with lesser rigs in front of a better one, their mind would soon change on how much smoother it could be.
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Agree ..Seems poor from all of these reviewer's banging on about smoothness and not investigating more and some just moving the mouse around and going wee....... yes that's you jay 2 cents ... that's no good ...

Rich @ Euro gamer did email me at the weekend and stated there's would be up soon ..so i suspect this week
Rich states
"I'm willing to give AMD the benefit of the doubt though because I feel a new microarchitecture deserves deep dive testing, "

So i am hoping will have frame times too...

But i would love to see as i mentioned before and to which i have contacted a few of these reviewers that getting a high speed camera that can record more FPS than the pc Intel / AMD are rendering rec both and then analyse the footage this will tell for sure which is the smoothest...
 
So these numbers show (assuming they are correct) that you practically get a dual 6700 cpu setup, but using a single cpu socket... and you only pay for one of the cpus, and that's very kind of AMD :)
It also shows that the microcode/firmware/OS support is next to useless currently and they shouldn't have released the product before the software and the ecosystem was ready.
As for 8 cores being useless for game code - PS4 and X1 console game developers beg to differ (myself included). I'd guess should AMD developer relation efforts succeed, many of them would oversee updating/porting code to Ryzen as it seems to have the exact same cpu behavior as current gen consoles.
 
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Frozennova said:
My bad the 1.37v I saw quoted was what reviewers was told
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Ye I think we need to change the mind set for Ryzen voltages as they obviously are ok running at high voltage rates.

I just havent had the time to tweak it more. But I'll attempt to keep dropping the Volts tonight and see where my limit is :)
 
IFW said:
So these numbers show (assuming they are correct) that you practically get a dual 6700 cpu setup, but using a single cpu socket... and you only pay for one of the cpus, and that's very kind of AMD :)
It also shows that the microcode/firmware/OS support is next to useless currently and they shouldn't have released the product before the software and the ecosystem was ready.
As for 8 cores being useless for game code - PS4 and X1 console game developers beg to differ (myself included). I'd guess should AMD developer relation efforts succeed, many of them would oversee updating/porting code to Ryzen as it seems to have the exact same cpu behavior.
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Yes to all of this, although I believe that actually getting it out there was almost needed for AMD to say hey we do actually have an awesome CPU and to get it out in the wild to make that point. Mob & OS issues will be solved over time. My understanding was that Windows actually had an update with a number of things for AMD but it got put on hold for now so will likely drop in their next update which AMD have suggested will be in around 30 days (from a few days ago) so they are likely working pretty close with Microsoft on the OS side.
 
AMD should have released the CPU with a "Founders Edition" LOL mobo (in old school green) that was rock solid and stable with memory support up to DDR4 max speeds. Ryzen swirl over the PCB. Military spec components and just then rely on the software to catch up. They've largely been let down by crap BIOS and poor availability from the AIB's.
 
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