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*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***

Omega said:
Ye I think we need to change the mind set for Ryzen voltages as they obviously are ok running at high voltage rates.

I just havent had the time to tweak it more. But I'll attempt to keep dropping the Volts tonight and see where my limit is :)
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Aye, from what 8-pack was saying is that if you can get 4.0-4.1GHz but only 2666Mhz memory then you would be better going for 3.8-3.9GHz with 3000Mhz memory as they same performance then but with lower temp/volts on the CPU side. Of course getting to 4.0-4.1GHz with 3000+ Mhz member would be best but so far testing seems to suggest that is pretty difficult to not possible at this time till the Bios is updated.
 
Geck0 said:
AMD should have released the CPU with a "Founders Edition" LOL mobo (in old school green) that was rock solid and stable with memory support up to DDR4 max speeds. Ryzen swirl over the PCB. Military spec components and just then rely on the software to catch up. They've largely been let down by crap BIOS and poor availability from the AIB's.
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Aye but they did compound the issue with the Mobo because the engineering samples that were actually ready for them to create the BIOS from was only done in January and then they have continually updated them since.
 
Geck0 said:
AMD should have released the CPU with a "Founders Edition" LOL mobo (in old school green) that was rock solid and stable with memory support up to DDR4 max speeds. Ryzen swirl over the PCB. Military spec components and just then rely on the software to catch up. They've largely been let down by crap BIOS and poor availability from the AIB's.
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Given the less than stellar performance of current mobos I tend to agree with this :D
 
gavinh87 said:
Still waiting for my board and ram to arrive should be here today.
I could have gone to kaby lake and most people would have told me to aswell (144hz) but the games that do benefit from a higher refresh rate are easy to run I play overwatch and cs:go. Ryzen can handle these no problem.
As stated above kaby is fine if you like to change a system often. I have no problem with that but my wife would! I think anyone looking for longevity would benefit from ryzen, yeah I'm taking a performance hit now but I'm sure it will come good in the long run.
I had a similar decision with the e8400 vs q6600. I went for the dual and ended up wishing I grabbed the quad :(
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Wise choice this time round :)
 
KompuKare said:
Made a summary of that:
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Okay, most of those are won by the Intel but then price-wise the rumoured Ryzen 4C/8T are the 5-1400X and 5-1300 and their price is meant to be $199 and $175 which is about the same as the i5-7500 which it should be easily outperform for most things. Except perhaps the worst threaded games like Bethesda FO4 and Skyrim but then as much as like TES games, I have been calling Bethesda Bugsoft for years as the fans modders have to fix almost everything.
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Thx for this ...


I think that was updated on that site something to do with disabling the double buffer on the 7700k

http://www.zolkorn.com/news/report-an-error-for-ryzen-7-1800x-vs-core-i7-7700k-mhz-by-mhz/

Not sure how legit the whole site is but its worth a look again thx for taking the time with the above chart
 
Curlyriff said:
Yes to all of this, although I believe that actually getting it out there was almost needed for AMD to say hey we do actually have an awesome CPU and to get it out in the wild to make that point. Mob & OS issues will be solved over time. My understanding was that Windows actually had an update with a number of things for AMD but it got put on hold for now so will likely drop in their next update which AMD have suggested will be in around 30 days (from a few days ago) so they are likely working pretty close with Microsoft on the OS side.
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They should have waited until the OS update was pushed by MS. There is also no excuse for bricking mobos and almost complete lack of compatible high speed ram modules for power users (e.g. people who actually want to use 64GB RAM).
Hopefully lesson learnt for Zen+ release - not to mention Vega ;)
 
Genuine question here, whether 1.55v or 1.37v is the limit for voiding warranty, how would AMD ever know if you had exceeded it when you RMA'ed?
 
IFW said:
They should have waited until the OS update was pushed by MS. There is also no excuse for bricking mobos and almost complete lack of compatible high speed ram modules for power users (e.g. people who actually want to use 64GB RAM).
Hopefully lesson learnt for Zen+ release - not to mention Vega ;)
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Tbh though the bricking is down to the Mobo manufacture not AMD though. Nothing that AMD provided should have caused the Mobo to brick. The OS update could never come because it's Microsoft and you can only push them so far. They will do what they want.

The point of the RAM is partially AMD's fault for the delayed engineering samples but boards have been displayed since start of January so they were working on them prior to that (by a few months) so the BIOS to at least not brick is still all the Mobo manufactures issue. Asus seem to be the biggest culprit with these things though.
 
Curlyriff said:
Tbh though the bricking is down to the Mobo manufacture not AMD though.
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AMD caused a situation where boards had to be rushed to market with what were essentially alpha BIOSes, many of those boards had issues updating to what are essentially beta BIOSes. You cannot blame manufacturers for inadequacies caused by AMD's timescale.
 
ubersonic said:
AMD caused a situation where boards had to be rushed to market with what were essentially alpha BIOSes, many of those boards had issues updating to what are essentially beta BIOSes. You cannot blame manufacturers for inadequacies caused by AMD's timescale.
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Again I have asked you to cite this with a credible source and you have failed to do so.
 
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