I think the problem with the top spec Iris IGP was the power use. IIRC it was impossible to see the benefit of CPU or GPU with heavy loads. I think I read that the lower spec parts with higher TDP could out perform much more the expensive chips in many work loads.
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November apparently according to Anandtech. Apparently only three models will be available at that time:
1.)HP Envy X360 starting at $699 which is dual channel capable.
2.)Acer Swift 3 which is dual channel capable and was shown off and benchmarked at the launch event.Has the best cooling of the three models apparently.
3.)Lenovo IdeaPad 720S which is just over a one kg in weight but is only single channel. The other two are just over 2kg in weight.
What spec APUs are available with the Envy? I'm assuming for $699 that's a base level chip.
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https://www.anandtech.com/show/11963/hp-announces-envy-x360-15-with-ryzen-mobile
That is the cheapest one,but remember there was a leak on the HP website of the Ryzen 7 2700U version too.
Indeed they would, fingers crossed
+1 but I have been wishing for this for what seems forever.
Looking at the mass market if they can beat a 1050ti in an APU they will have an epic product. Anything north of that would be amazing, but I suspect memory bottlenecks will hamstring it, based on absolutely nothing.
Depends on OEM take up.
Remember most laptops these days are just gradual iterations of previous models. Previous models which were almost exclusively Broadwell/Skylake/Kabylake based systems. So it is pretty easy to just put in Kabylake R chips.
Suddenly getting Raven Ridge working isn't as easy. Especially when quality control is more important these days than outright performance.
Can you get this into an XPS 13 or Surface Book for example?
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So far its Acer,HP and Lenovo. The chassis seem to be iterations of ones which they had before.
But they aren't out yet. It will take a while which is my point. They are having to somehow get this to work with a chassis which possibly wasn't designed for these boards and chips.
Ryzen 2 should therefore have much quicker support in theory.
The consoles are already using that chip. I'd imagine AMD will crack 1920x1080 with an APU first and then look at higher performance when they shrink.
I remember seeing a 32 core APU design a while back that looked pretty beefy on the graphics side.
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I get what you say as its only three models for the time being and yep Ryzen 2 should be quicker as they can slot in the chips,but the HP is being released next month and the Acer was demoed at the event - I have pictures posted in this thread! They even ran a benchmark on it. The Acer chassis is designed for 25W TDP chips.
Also the HP X360 had both AMD and Intel versions,but I don't know how good cooling is on it.
The supply-demand curve doesn't require "flaws". It's where units sold x price per unit = maximum. AMD could charge £2000 for a 1700 but they'd sell two. They could charge £50 and they'd sell enough to make themselves bankrupt. All companies adjust to maximise profit and a price change does not mean "it is obvious has flaws (sic)" Your understanding of business is dire. Yields have apparently been better than expected. That means production costs per unit are lower. That impacts profit per unit which feeds into price per unit which impacts supply-demand curve. You do not know what AMDs internal costs are so are utterly unqualified to make statements like the above.
Don't see this as an argument but who are we meant to believe here?
We need someone like OCuK to give us numbers!
Go back to when this was last discussed (soon after Ryzen's release). I'm not going to rehash people's inability to understand graphs. That last point as when you took a screenshot is based on 2 days of data.
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/posts/30933882/
That post onwards.
Also feel free to check the graph again.
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/market_share.html
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It seems Dell is making a RR based laptop called the Dell Latitude 5495:
http://ranker.sisoftware.net/show_s...e2dfedcba39eab8df5c8f9dfbadfe2d3f586bb83&l=en
http://ranker.sisoftware.net/show_s...e2dfedcba39eab8df5c8f9dfbadfe2d3f586bb83&l=en
Controversial opinion. It's like we don't know that Zen and Vega work superbly at lower voltages.
https://videocardz.com/73702/amd-launches-ryzen-mobile-7-2700u-5-2500u-with-vega-graphics
Those are all based on AMD's numbers, so not 3rd party benchmarks. Until we have 3rd party benchmarks I tend to not trust any vendor provided numbers.
I already pointed this in the Raven Ridge thread, but a lot of those Intel numbers are on the low end of the spectrum if you go to notebookcheck to verify.
I already pointed this in the Raven Ridge thread, but a lot of those Intel numbers are on the low end of the spectrum if you go to notebookcheck to verify.