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*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***

4K8KW10 said:
Any chance of this being legit? :eek: 12 cores / 24 threads incoming in February?

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Looks legit to me. That's a lot of detail to fake. For example did the original release even have a pre-order date?

Massive clock boost from 12nm it seems.
 
muon said:
Clearly? That is a lot of attention to detail.
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It's a 428 x 238 image, there is no detail whatsoever. That would not take long to make based on the original AMD slide detailing Ryzen 7, given all of the blemishes would be hidden by the ridiculous compression applied to the image. Unless there's a decent quality version somewhere?

How exactly are they going to fit 6 cores into a CCX when they aren't even shrinking the die? We know the new "12 nm" node is more akin to Intel's move from 14 nm to 14 nm+.
 
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Doobedoo said:
To be honest the specs are what I would expect from Zen 2 rather than Zen +. Not long to wait now.
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Exactly. No way we're getting all of that in February 2018, hell if we did I'd buy it immediately even if I don't need an upgrade for anything. :D

A bump of 200-300 MHz and some other fine tuning is what I expect and there's no reason to get my hopes up, especially after Vega >_>. I actually expect prices to rise a bit for the first month or two, compared to the first generation chips at least, due to the shiny factor.
 
DragonQ said:
It's a 428 x 238 image, there is no detail whatsoever. That would not take long to make based on the original AMD slide detailing Ryzen 7, given all of the blemishes would be hidden by the ridiculous compression applied to the image. Unless there's a decent quality version somewhere?

How exactly are they going to fit 6 cores into a CCX when they aren't even shrinking the die? We know the new "12 nm" node is more akin to Intel's move from 14 nm to 14 nm+.
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Dates, as well as a pre-order date. Slightly different pricing, detailing previous gen line up below. Those are all touches that require a fair bit of thought. The image hosted might not be the original as far as resolution is concerned.

Why can't they do 3 CCXs of 4 cores each? Why can't the die size increase?

It has been a while since Ryzen launched.

It might end up being fake, but I don't think it is clear cut. Yes the specs seem to be almost too good to be true, but we'll see.
 
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Bigger dies means worse yields and even lower margins for AMD. And 3 CCXs will no doubt further increase the latency issues the current 2 CCXs design has.
Unless there's a proper source for that image then I'd consider it to be the regular fud we see prior to AMD launches, where a lot of unverified rumors get taken for granted.

Or are we forgetting the rumors prior to the recent Polaris, Ryzen and Vega product launches? Like the Ryzen supposedly running at 5Ghz on air, but after launch we found out that most chips can't even reach 4Ghz.
 
Hmm i expect a clockspeed bump with a refresh, those touted figures look a bit exaggerated to be true, but you just never know... Judging by the deals were seeing on Zen CPU's around the world, it may be AMD cleaning out the stock lines to make way for a refresh, if its significantly better than the previous stuff, anything left on shelves is going to be worth next to nothing, so better sell it off now and during the holiday period while you still can.

Better to have high demand and low stock of existing product when entering a refresh to be honest, as you stand to lose less money when the remaining inventory doesn't sell or gets sold off for peanuts.

Im still convinced we will only see around 4.5ghz on a Ryzen CPU when OC'd, and im fine with that, the added performance from that will make the chips more than just competitive with Intel stuff going forward.
 
Not really hard to fake something like that - it's not really a lot of detail! Would be nice of course were it true.

Not sure why AndreiD is saying it'd lower margins even more... AMD currently have very healthy margins on CPUs according to all sources I've seen. Also it's or not and... They either need bigger die size or more ccx not both.

Edit: don't get me wrong, I don't believe it either :D
 
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