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harney · 30 Mar 2017 at 13:06

SiDeards73 said:
Yeah and with Xbox One running DX12 and a version of Win10, i can imagine Scorpio being similar, so the software side of things is already there pretty much, if the hardware is a fairly similar translation, it will save devs time porting, and aid with optimising.

lets hope so

Not an expert of game development but i am sure the dev kits are pc based tools software is all done on pc
so i would expect it to scale very well if the hardware is similar that being all AMD yes there will be certain tweaks done for the consoles as they squeeze as much out of them they can .

then its just a case of building on the pc and then scaling down to run on the consoles so really one would hope that its ported to the console rather than the other way round.

The extra work i imagine now would be doing extra optimizing for Nvidia and Intel parts..

What i do not want is games that only run on AMD or Intel / Nvidia that is things of nightmares and would make Pc's just like consoles

AlamoX · 30 Mar 2017 at 13:09

Relentless81 said:
Anyone know if the 1600X is going to ship with a cooler?

The R7 X models didnt and the 1700 Non X did, are we to assume the same with the R5's? And where is the Wraith Max cooler? Only the Spire has shown up so far the Max is AWOL

from the look of it, stealth is supposed to be for R3, the Spire for 65TDP and the wraith for the 95TDP.
they probably didn't have enough units yet to box it with everything for Rzen's launch, my guess give them couple months, and all of this will be sorted out.

Hilafero · 30 Mar 2017 at 14:01

cool...

Relentless81 · 30 Mar 2017 at 14:02

AlamoX said:
from the look of it, stealth is supposed to be for R3, the Spire for 65TDP and the wraith for the 95TDP.
they probably didn't have enough units yet to box it with everything for Rzen's launch, my guess give them couple months, and all of this will be sorted out.

Really hope they catch up for the R5 release if you're right, cant really afford to buy a cooler initially so could do with an OEM cooler being supplied with it

Hagar · 30 Mar 2017 at 14:27

The spire is a surprisingly good cooler, I have gone from a monster Heligon HE01 on an FX9590 to the Spire on an R7 1700 and gained 60% Cinebench points at stock.

shankly1985 · 30 Mar 2017 at 14:52

SiDeards73 · 30 Mar 2017 at 14:55

Read this https://community.amd.com/community/gaming/blog/2017/03/30/amd-ryzen-community-update-2

Really positive stuff from AMD

Relentless81 · 30 Mar 2017 at 14:59

Still confused to whether or not HPET is required or not, not bothered about Ryzen Master, just overall performance

DragonQ · 30 Mar 2017 at 15:07

Relentless81 said:
Still confused to whether or not HPET is required or not, not bothered about Ryzen Master, just overall performance

Try with it on and off?

DragonQ · 30 Mar 2017 at 15:08

AMD said:
We will soon be distributing AGESA point release 1.0.0.4 to our motherboard partners. We expect BIOSes based on this AGESA to start hitting the public in early April, though specific dates will depend on the schedules and QA practices of your motherboard vendor.

BIOSes based on this new code will have four important improvements for you

We have reduced DRAM latency by approximately 6ns. This can result in higher performance for latency-sensitive applications.

We resolved a condition where an unusual FMA3 code sequence could cause a system hang.

We resolved the “overclock sleep bug” where an incorrect CPU frequency could be reported after resuming from S3 sleep.

AMD Ryzen™ Master no longer requires the High-Precision Event Timer (HPET).

We will continue to update you on future AGESA releases when they’re complete, and we’re already working hard to bring you a May release that focuses on overclocked DDR4 memory.

Great stuff.

Relentless81 · 30 Mar 2017 at 15:09

DragonQ said:
Try with it on and off?

I will, but its either needed or its not, or it improves performance or it doesnt.

Which is it.

DragonQ · 30 Mar 2017 at 15:12

Relentless81 said:
I will, but its either needed or its not, or it improves performance or it doesnt.

Which is it.

Probably depends on setup since I've seen anecdotal reports of performance being better with it on, and others with it off (and others where it didn't make a difference).

Relentless81 · 30 Mar 2017 at 15:14

DragonQ said:
Probably depends on setup since I've seen anecdotal reports of performance being better with it on, and others with it off (and others where it didn't make a difference).

I hate that!

Yaayuh! · 30 Mar 2017 at 15:31

Relentless81 said:
Still confused to whether or not HPET is required or not, not bothered about Ryzen Master, just overall performance

Since it's disabled by default on W10, I'm going with it not really being required and should be treated as more of a legacy thing.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 30 Mar 2017 at 15:40

DragonQ said:
Great stuff.

The latency improvements might help in gaming!!

N19h7m4r3 · 30 Mar 2017 at 15:45

Panos said:
You know Linustech run this with benchmark with Ryzen ram at 2133, more than three weeks ago?

All the more impressive for me really.

These fellas also talking about "Smoothness" on Ryzen gaming. Reminds me so much of the Athlon 64 X2 days haha. AMD is "Smoother"

52:55

https://youtu.be/8c1MSLy63Lc?t=52m55s

KrisWragg · 30 Mar 2017 at 15:46

DragonQ said:
Great stuff.

Indeed, but looks like we won't be seeing much improvements on the RAM front until May. If only they could just allow for 1T or 2T command rate I'm sure that would solve most issues! The 1T command rate cannot be mandatory for Ryzen as the default 2133mhz runs at 2T, its only once you change that it forces 1T.

SiDeards73 · 30 Mar 2017 at 17:29

Also Windows 10 Creators update rolls out on the 11th April, that bring the "Games Mode" too, which offers a small boost in fps while gaming, good time to be a PC gamer right now, lots of new hardware and features coming

fs123 · 30 Mar 2017 at 17:40

SiDeards73 said:
Also Windows 10 Creators update rolls out on the 11th April, that bring the "Games Mode" too, which offers a small boost in fps while gaming, good time to be a PC gamer right now, lots of new hardware and features coming

If MS reworked the scheduler or optimized some stuff for Ryzen then things could get even better.

nkuk · 30 Mar 2017 at 17:42

SiDeards73 said:
Also Windows 10 Creators update rolls out on the 11th April, that bring the "Games Mode" too, which offers a small boost in fps while gaming, good time to be a PC gamer right now, lots of new hardware and features coming

Indeed a good time for gaming and PC enthusiasts. As well as the Windows updates, Feral Interactive have just released a public beta of the Linux version of Mad Max today that uses Vulkan API and has absolutely huge 100-300%+ performance improvements

https://www.gamingonlinux.com/artic...chmarks-and-opengl-vs-vulkan-comparisons.9345

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