Poll: AmorIn or AmorOut?

doodah · Monday at 11:24

If we're looking for ways to worsen the situation (like we have for a decade now), there's always Rooney.....

Shamikebab · Monday at 11:26

With Manchester United sitting sixth in the Premier League, the club’s leadership has reluctantly made the decision that it is the right time to make a change. This will give the team the best opportunity of the highest possible Premier League finish.

So the club think we should be doing better than 6th this season? I'm sure Fletcher with Wilcox holding his puppet strings making all the decisions is going to achieve that.

booyaka · Monday at 11:27

Robbo said:
Amorim has been walking a tightrope for a while now, first in terms of his own poor managerial performance and more recently in relation to his issues with Wilcox and the hierarchy.

Side note: quite why anyone thinks Wilcox is the right man is not yet clear either...

So you'd think they will have someone in mind to replace him pretty quickly. Berrada was behind the appointment of Amorim, and that really shouldn't have been his call.

Wilcox and Berrada are half the problem - they appointed him, but at the moment seem to be bullet proof....

Wilcox lacks a lot at this level.... literally 2 years at Southampton as director of football - Then gets United job as Sporting director then Director of Football.... Doesn't have the quality at this level of role for me.

The_One · Monday at 11:32

would any utd fans rather it was still the glazers and not INEOS?

what about poch in the summer after the world cup?

Robbo · Monday at 11:35

Shamikebab said:
So the club think we should be doing better than 6th this season? I'm sure Fletcher with Wilcox holding his puppet strings making all the decisions is going to achieve that.

I thought that wording was interesting too, but I suppose they can't say much else. Performances have to be the focus because the league is so close, as I mentioned earlier, we're 3 points off 4th, but 4 points off 14th!

Aside from a handful of games under Amorim, we have mostly been pretty miserable.

The_One said:
would any utd fans rather it was still the glazers and not INEOS?

what about poch in the summer after the world cup?

I think INEOS are trying to do some good things, and we already know the Glazers are hopeless, but they are still involved regardless.

The_One · Monday at 11:38

Robbo said:
I thought that wording was interesting too, but I suppose they can't say much else. Performances have to be the focus because the league is so close, as I mentioned earlier, we're 3 points off 4th, but 4 points off 14th!

Aside from a handful of games under Amorim, we have mostly been pretty miserable.

I think INEOS are trying to do some good things, and we already know the Glazers are hopeless, but they are still involved regardless.

what good have INEOS done so far would you say?

Nate75 · Monday at 11:39

The_One said:
what good have INEOS done so far would you say?

That's a fair question

Shamikebab · Monday at 11:40

The_One said:
what good have INEOS done so far would you say?

Upgraded Carrington that was in dire need of it (with their own money)
Started plans for a new stadium
Overhauled the staff to a more modern structure (particularly when it comes to data driven scouting)
Stopped the Glazers taking money out of the club

doodah · Monday at 11:41

Sacked the tea ladies?

fez · Monday at 11:41

Shamikebab said:
So the club think we should be doing better than 6th this season? I'm sure Fletcher with Wilcox holding his puppet strings making all the decisions is going to achieve that.

Yes, we 100% should be doing better than 6th this season. We have been poor for much of the season and we are 3 points off 4th place. It would literally have take a tiny bit better form to be in 4th place right now. The league outside the top 3 is wide wide open and the club know that they can stick with Amorim and watch CL/EL fall away or they can act now and try and save the season.

We have very recent history with sticking with a manager who should have been removed earlier and it torpedoed last season. We have a good squad here outside of the CM position we desperately need.

Do you honestly think that Amorim was getting the most out of these players? That he was doing a good job or even an OK job? Sacking him was the right choice. He has shown almost nothing to suggest hes the guy to lead the club long term to any success.

Robbo · Monday at 11:41

The_One said:
what good have INEOS done so far would you say?

I said they're trying, not that they have! Their signings have been generally quite good (although signing Cunha and Mbeumo is hardly a masterstroke), and they seem keen to develop a fancy new stadium. I doubt the Glazers would have bothered.

Shamikebab said:
Upgraded Carrington that was in dire need of it (with their own money)
Started plans for a new stadium
Overhauled the staff to a more modern structure (particularly when it comes to data driven scouting)
Stopped the Glazers taking money out of the club

These too.

adam cool dude · Monday at 11:41

booyaka said:
Wilcox and Berrada are half the problem - they appointed him, but at the moment seem to be bullet proof....

Wilcox lacks a lot at this level.... literally 2 years at Southampton as director of football - Then gets United job as Sporting director then Director of Football.... Doesn't have the quality at this level of role for me.

It is strange when you look at clubs like Barcelona, Ajax and Bayern Munich as an example. They are top to toe with ex footballers instilling the right ethos for the club in various positions. Manchester United have absolutely zero of that since Fergie retired.

Manchester United is nothing but in name. There is zero lineage in the club what so ever now.

I was listening to a podcast the other week and Paul Scholes said he doesn't even know who to contact at the club to get match day tickets anymore.

Bigpig · Monday at 11:42

Sacked for results or for speaking out of term?

Shamikebab · Monday at 11:42

fez said:
Yes, we 100% should be doing better than 6th this season. We have been poor for much of the season and we are 3 points off 4th place. It would literally have take a tiny bit better form to be in 4th place right now. The league outside the top 3 is wide wide open and the club know that they can stick with Amorim and watch CL/EL fall away or they can act now and try and save the season.

We have very recent history with sticking with a manager who should have been removed earlier and it torpedoed last season. We have a good squad here outside of the CM position we desperately need.

Do you honestly think that Amorim was getting the most out of these players? That he was doing a good job or even an OK job? Sacking him was the right choice. He has shown almost nothing to suggest hes the guy to lead the club long term to any success.

I guess that depends if there is a Plan B. Because we had the exact same discussion over ETH just over 12 months ago and things only got worse after they took the action that everyone said we needed.

Shamikebab · Monday at 11:43

adam cool dude said:
It is strange when you look at clubs like Barcelona, Ajax and Bayern Munich as an example. They are top to toe with ex footballers instilling the right ethos for the club in various positions. Manchester United have absolutely zero of that since Fergie retired.

Manchester United is nothing but in name. There is zero lineage in the club what so ever now.

I was listening to a podcast the other week and Paul Scholes said he doesn't even know who to contact at the club to get match day tickets anymore.

Not true at all we've had Fletcher involved since then in various roles, Mourinho had Carrick as an assistant. This season we had Evans as loan manager.

sigma · Monday at 11:48

The_One said:
what good have INEOS done so far would you say?

Bought a load of players for EtH then sacked him, forced Amorim out of his job and then sacked him for doing what he agreed to do.

booyaka · Monday at 11:49

Bigpig said:
Sacked for results or for speaking out of term?

Most results but after Fridays presser and yesterdays comments - I think he was "daring" United hierarchy to sack him....

sigma · Monday at 11:50

How many managers have failed at Untied now? Seemingly none of them can get the players how they mystically "should" be playing. Is the next manager going to play on the pitch?

spudbynight · Monday at 11:51

MarcLister · Monday at 11:53

Shamikebab said:
Upgraded Carrington that was in dire need of it (with their own money)
Started plans for a new stadium
Overhauled the staff to a more modern structure (particularly when it comes to data driven scouting)
Stopped the Glazers taking money out of the club

Interested in the last point. Have Ineos really done this? How would they have managed this? That was one of the biggest problems with the Glazers, taking money out of the club. If that's been stopped, or massively reduced, then I'm impressed.