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rlm said:
Very much doubt that I'm afraid, I've heard reports that people are looking at about 15fps with eye candy on full at 1280x1024 with a 6800 ultra, and about 35 with a 1900xt, can't remember where I saw it now though.

This is the reason for me driving to stoke on friday morning to buy a new graphics card, from my 6800 ultra to a 1900xt. :/
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eep, I'll just put it in 1024x768 and stick on some anti-alias, it'll still look pretty.
 
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Full details for me then :) .... *pets 360*
 
JUst been reading the official forum for the game it appears as if Beth will not allow pc users to have both aa + hdr on a the same time. The xbox360 users get both,

even thou i own a nv graphics card the x1900 range of ati can do both hdr and aa but even they will be forced to only use one or the other, i imagine some one will hack the feature out so ati users can try having both on, but what about when we all upgrade again and decide to replay our old games collection on our new gpu's wouldn't you like to crank up the settings and still get 100+fps.

Seems abit unfair. Although I don't trust everthink i read so will wait for the game to come, IMHO forget the graphics, the gameplay is where the fun is at :D
 
rlm said:
Very much doubt that I'm afraid, I've heard reports that people are looking at about 15fps with eye candy on full at 1280x1024 with a 6800 ultra, and about 35 with a 1900xt, can't remember where I saw it now though.

This is the reason for me driving to stoke on friday morning to buy a new graphics card, from my 6800 ultra to a 1900xt. :/
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I went from 32fps to 68 going from a 7800GT to an x1900xt (in FEAR)so I think thats total rubbish - considering that the 7800GT is a fair bit faster than a 6800U.

If anything it would be 15fps on a 6800U, 25fps on a 7800GT and 50fps+ on an x1900. Unless it runs significantly better on NV hardware?
 
warnea1984 said:
JUst been reading the official forum for the game it appears as if Beth will not allow pc users to have both aa + hdr on a the same time. The xbox360 users get both,

even thou i own a nv graphics card the x1900 range of ati can do both hdr and aa but even they will be forced to only use one or the other, i imagine some one will hack the feature out so ati users can try having both on, but what about when we all upgrade again and decide to replay our old games collection on our new gpu's wouldn't you like to crank up the settings and still get 100+fps.

Seems abit unfair. Although I don't trust everthink i read so will wait for the game to come, IMHO forget the graphics, the gameplay is where the fun is at :D
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Sweetloaf has already made a post about this:

Sweetloaf said:
Quote from Jackrabbit over at nv who quotes nottheking :)

"I asked this question too recently, whether HDR and AA would be allowed with an Nvidia card, heres what I got.

The direct comment you heard was pure falsehood. What AA you can use with HDR is actually determined by the program that's using it. Older, less-advanced games using HDR, from Far Cry to Splinter Cell 3 to Serious Sam 2 use a version of HDR called OpenEXR; the game developers didn't actually make it, they licensed it from Industrial Light & Magic, which as you're probably aware, makes CG and other effects for use in movies. (their first break, of course, being Star Wars)

OpenEXR is a rather easy to implement version, but it was designed for CG movies, not video games. As a result, it is incredibly rutheless when it comes to power drain, and it's incompatible with MSAA, (multi-sample-anti-aliasing) the AA method used in modern games. CG Movies use SSAA (super-sample-anti-aliasing) which more closely mimics real life, but hjas hardly any improvement for its cost; using x4 SSAA cuts your framerate by 75%, and x16 SSAA cuts it by 93.5%, and it increases from there. Since CG movies aren't done in real-time, this isn't a problem. (on average, each single FRAME from a movie takes a massive "render farm" of thousands of computers about 1-2 hours to draw)

However, since games have to be done in real-time; preferably, each frame has to be drawn using much less hardware, and be done in hopefuly, less than 33 milliseconds. (enough to yield 30fps) That's why MSAA is used instead of SSAA.

Normally, NO card can run MSAA and OpenEXR at the same time, though ATi made an exception with their X1k series; it was a work-around they implemented in their cards. With other cards, such as GeForce 6 and 7-series cards, you can only use SSAA, which is actually available at one setting: x4. This will cause a serious hit to your framerate, but it will be AA.

Fortunately, Oblivion isn't using OpenEXR. Rather, since OpenEXR wasn't first availible to developers until very early 2005, (and games like Splinter Cell 3 added it in at the last minute) and BethSoft had decided to use HDR since they started in 2002, they made their own HDR program, that's COMPLETELY different.

This is good; it's everything that OpenEXR isn't; whilt it's still something that hurts performance, it's a lighter hit than any other form of HDR known. Also, it works with ALL types of AA flawlessly. Lastly, it can be used on cards that don't support SM 3.0, though the older, SM 2.0 version, (for Radeon 9, X, and GeForce FX 5 cards) does cause a bigger performance hit.

There's only one flaw that's known of, though; when using it, some forms of blending become prohibitively expensive to use. As a result, it seems that using HDR will disable these blending acts, such as alpha-blending. In Morrowind, this was used to make the edges of trees look smooth even if you weren't using AA. Losing this is really no big deal, since it doesn't work correctly in all programs aside from Morrowind. This is also what "transparency AA" is used to correct. Even if you can't correct it, it's still hardly noticable, particularly at distance, so it's nothing to worry about.
(Quote from Nottheking)"
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Its down at work for being released on the friday, I'm definatly going to try and get hold of it before though, don't think I'll have much luck mind. I think I'm going to cancel my pre-order off the net and go into work at 00:01 on friday to grab it. Tesco are usually quite bad at pre-empting game sales, they had 4 copies of HL2 sent through when that came out :/ Luckly I got mine.
 
PC Gamer (Or PC Format - forgot) said that it ran extremely smooth of their FX60 and 7800GTX, and the 6800U wasn't leagues behind the 7800GTX - so I think that may be a complete lie :)

-RaZ
 
Found the collectors edition for £25 delivered but really can't afford it at the moment damnit. I remember playing Morrowind and being completely enchanted by it and after seeing some screens of this (the videos of the forrests are beyond stunning) this really looks like the one not to be missed. Then again I'll never be able to play it at full whack on my system (2800+ Barton, 1.5GB and 9800 Pro).
 
N doubt this has been asked already but does anyone know if the pc and the 360 versions are the same game? Its just that I'm really looking forward to oblivian and the last thing I want is a dumbed downed version for the 360. Really looking forward to it on my new 42inch hdtv:) if its been dumbed down then i'll buy it fot the pc.
 
wnb said:
N doubt this has been asked already but does anyone know if the pc and the 360 versions are the same game? Its just that I'm really looking forward to oblivian and the last thing I want is a dumbed downed version for the 360. Really looking forward to it on my new 42inch hdtv:) if its been dumbed down then i'll buy it fot the pc.
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It's the same game
 
Street said:
I told mine I might not be about for a while and I got "if you'd rather be a geek and play your little computer games thats fine". At least shes ok with it:)

Tried to show her the videos so she could see what I was excited about, but she didn't seem very impressed... meh women...
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I showed my gf some of the video's and she was highly impressed, especially with the forests. She's happy watching me play games as long as there's a good story (plus she absolutely loves Prince of Persia), so she'll probably sit and watch Oblivion while I play it :D
 
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