Soldato
Which is why they disqualified Schumacher twice and and banned him for 2 further races?
And Lewis Hamilton matches Michael Schumacher's 7 titles!
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Soldato
I remember watching the races.
The FIA=The clean side is the starting place for pole driver(we all heard him on the TV)
Senna gets pole and not frenchi
The FIA=The dirty side is now the starting place for the pole driver.
FIA= You have\had Ferraris data. Here have a 100 mil fine.
FIA= You have\had McLaren's cars data. So stop being a Naughty boy.
I could go on for pages.
And Jean Marie Balestre was bent.
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Silverstone 2008 comes to mind as a much more dominant display. To say that Lewis could "only dream of" that, shows your dislike for him.
In fact, I'd rate that higher than Spain 1996 when it comes to performances in the wet.
Considering...
Schumacher finished +45.302 ahead of P2 and only 6 car finished (2 of which were at least 1 lap down due to spins)
Hamilton finished +1:08.577 ahead of P2 and 13 cars finished. Not to mention he'd lapped everyone up to P4 and was 1.1s faster per sector that some cars (Raikkonen)!
Caporegime
The main point you are forgetting is in 08 Lewis had the best car on the grid. In 1996 Schumacher's Ferrari was second/third best by quite some margin.
It will be nice to see just how GR will do this weekend as it will put everything into perspective.
I admire just how hard Lewis fought to get into F1 but it still doesn't change that he has had a rather privelidged career when he got there. It would be great to see him at a team like Williams and help rebuild them into a force again but that will not happen in a million years.
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Soldato
I think it's down to manner in which it was done too. Schumacher did it in a car which had no business winning by any margin at that stage and spent the last few laps drifting around just because he could.
Hamilton was brilliant at Silverstone, but he finished on the podium ahead of one guy who never won a race and another that was in one of the worst full works cars there has been in the last 50 years. Ferrari were just woeful that day.
Ferrari had the best car in 2008 and won the constructers.
His talent earner the privilege, everybody seen how he stacked Vs Alonso in his rookie year.
Also don't forgot the poor McLaren years and what he was doing with the car and splitting those redbulls quite often.
He helped keep Merc constantly improving that car, look how McLaren went downhill after him z he's very under rated in his constant drive for car development direction.
Same with Renault that immediately followed spygate.
The Renault case was even worse because Renault had the McLaren IP uploaded on their servers which was not the case with mcalren/Ferrari where coughlan had the papers and was about to move team.
Mosley didn't wanna know on Renault case z it was a Ron Dennis vandentta
Caporegime
McLaren went down hill because of the rule change and switch to Honda Power. Nothing to do with Hamilton. Like wise with 14. Mercedes built a beast of an engine that even made Williams good.
Ferrari didn't have the best car in 08. Both were equal. They had a far stronger lineup however. Heike was a poor driver which is the only reason they didn't get constructors.
You are delusional to think Hamilton is key to Mercedes success.
It was pretty obvious to most to most that Ferrari had the fastest car, you just had to watch the dry races. The only reason lewis had a chance was due to the unusual more wet races they had and Massa being rubbish in the wet and Lewis a rain master.
2008 is widely regarded as one of the few seasons in history where wdc winner did not have best car.
Caporegime
Ferrari had 8 poles and McLaren 8. How is that pretty obvious? Don't answer that as it is a rhetorical question.
Pole meant nothing in 2008 because you could underfuel and get pole.
Hamilton only won 5 races, Ferrari got more.
Ferrari also won pretty much most races between them if it was dry.
Hamilton was helped to 5 wins as there were more wet races that year otherwise I recall he would have only had 2 or 3 race wins.
13/18 fastest laps for Ferrari.
If Kimi and Massa never took race wins off each other then Massa would not have lost the title by that 1pt.
Ferrari failed to extract the maximum while Hamilton was on the ragged edge trying to stay in contention.
Your statement also infers that Massa and Hamilton were equal quality drivers.
I use Alonso as a reference point for this who matched Hamilton and schooled Massa, as his teamates.
Hamilton made it a contest because of his skill, despite the car.
Caporegime
Kimi was single lap king. As you said you could qualify on low fuel. Just the same as you could get fastest lap on low fuel. Kimi was massively ahead in the championship early on then suffered a load of set backs due to retirements and incidents. That is when Massa was concentrated on to be the main driver. One of them was Lewis crashing into the back of him at Canada because he didn't know what he was doing. Schumacher would never have done that.
Never the less let's see what happens this weekend. I see GR was already fastest in practice but it is all down to Lewis yeah?
Never the less let's see what happens this weekend. I see GR was already fastest in practice but it is all down to Lewis yeah?
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I'm sure that Hamilton should have anticipated the pit lane exit being blocked
but
I don't speak German and am curious as to why Kimi chose to park where he did 
I don’t think it’s an accident that all the best drivers end up in the best cars though.. The car plays the bigger part but the best driver in a **** car has as no chance of winning a title just like a **** driver in the best car won’t win it either. There needs to be a balance and the better the driver, the higher that balance leans towards constant victories.
Caporegime
I also don't think it is an accident that the best drivers all come from normal backgrounds, Alonso, Hamilton, Schumacher, Raikkonen etc all come from working class backgrounds but their parents had an interest in motorsport. The difference of the past 6 years compared to before is that you needed a Mercedes to challenge for the title before there was at least two manufacturers that could compete.
I think that’s largely been a fluke though. Mercedes made the best car for the rules that were put out and for the subsequent small changes since. We can’t blame Mercedes/Lewis or indeed Mercedes and Lewis keeping the partnership going. What we can say is that he’s bested both teammates in it albeit Rosberg put up a much bigger challenge than Bottas has. Hopefully the rule makers have learnt from this and 2022 will be as good as they think it will at least from a racing perspective.
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I really do hope so. I haven't watched proper racing since 1997. Although 2009-2011 wasn't too bad.