Android - Slightly Hyped IMO

"andy" said:
there really is

especially on this forum
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Indeed there is and maybe they want to rename this part of the forum as Android because 99% of the posts in here are all ANDROID THIS ANDROID THAT :/.

The apple boi's have their own forum to post their stuff so perhaps the Android lot can have theirs too but it wont ever happen.

But theres no doubting that Android is over hyped...to the extent its a bit too much....i now consider phandroids as bad as the apple fanboi's lol:p.
 
You are always going to have hype on forums, no matter the subject. I think the OP means the hype in general where you'll find out that he's actually wrong.

Also, do you know why this mobile phone forum is mostly about Android? because it has the largest user base. With Apple in its own little forum, you wont be seeing many other topics, apart from latest mobile tech.
 
Flukester said:
On the 9700, calls, sms, emails could all be process super fast, far faster than any touch screen phone could ever do. (Android comes last in this respect out of the 3)

It's taken me hours of fiddling to get the Desire HD anywhere close to same levels...

Simple things like copy and paste of rich text for customer template emails... on Android it's a nightmare.
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This, the speed at which you can do stuff on the 9700 makes it a winner.
 
I don't think it's right to compare Android to either iOS or BB. Android is open and phone manufacturers are free to customize it as they wish, so it's better to think of it as a framework rather than an OS. However, the sad truth is that all the manufacturers are still pretty horrible at it, using the openness to stuff it full of useless branding rather than customisability. For instance, some Android phones have d-pads, or little optical trackpads, or even hardware keyboards with arrowkeys, but no manufacturer has really bothered to redesign the Android UI to take advantage of them - make it possible to navigate menus with them, or (ESPECIALLY!) let people use them to select text. Some manufacturers do, but only to a limited extent, and because HTC (for example) will use broadly the same version of Sense on all their handsets, they're not gonna bother making a special keyboard-friendly version of it for the Desire Z. A few tweaks here and there, but no substantial redesign to purpose-fit the UI to the hardware. This could go for small things as well - for instance, if your phone has a dedicated camera button, you don't need the camera icon on the first home screen do you? Might as well just bury it in the applications folder (users are usually savvy enough to do this themselves, but I have seen handsets with such stupid design choices in the stock UI, simply because the company makes multiple phones for each OS and doesn't bother tweaking each one properly).

iOS and (especially) BB, otoh, because it's only made for specific devices, are tailored to those devices. I've played around on my friend's BB 9700 a lot, and I gotta say it's not nearly as bad to navigate the menus as people say! Sure, it's a bit inelegant, and there's too many menu layers, but the optical trackpad helps loads, it's often faster than swiping through pages of icons on an iPhone or Android handset.

To use an extreme example to illustrate this, look at the old Windows Mobile (not WP7): on any phone with a touchscreen, it was the most horrible pain to use ever! But my old phone (an HTC Universal) had a good hardware keyboard, and that took most of the pain away. Where touchscreen users would needle around with a stylus, I had a dedicated Start button and would navigate the multi-layered, badly-designed menus with keyboard shortcuts, which made it easy and fast. My point is that Microsoft didn't really intend that thing for devices without a keyboard, so when thin touchscreen devices became all the rage users suffered (and eventually switched to iPhone). The only manufacturer who made a bit of an effort was HTC, who put their own custom UI over Windows. (I didn't have it on my Universal, it was too old, but newer WinMo handsets like my dad's Diamond 2 work pretty well - for common tasks, almost as well as a modern touchscreen phone running Android or iOS, although once you got past that into the old WinMo menus to access less commonly-used functions your productivity would slow to a crawl!)
 
iamtheoneneo said:
facetime hasnt taken off lol, what you really think that apple calling it facetime and restricting to wifi is a revelation? thats the only reason its implemented better! watch it crumble on a network.

its too simple, the keyboard is horrid, simple operations are actually much harder on ios then android. the amount of times me and the mrs have slammed down the ipad bc of ios is pretty much every night. it might be more stable than android but its massively behind the times.
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How do you know facetime hasn't taken off? I know plenty of people that use it (including myself and fiancée)... and yes, the wireless idea is great. You've already proved why, the experience on a flakey mobile network is awful hence why it's never really taken off in the past.

The keyboard is rated as one of the best, amongst most people, heck I've ever seen some android users on here stating this. If you're having trouble operating an iPad I suggest you step away from the keyboard son :p

Behind the times? Far from it.
 
There's a lot of people saying "you need to put a custom rom on" or "I don't want to put a custom rom on", you don't need to... And tbh too many people recommend it... The only reason to usually put a rom on is to get around hardware restrictions not software ones.

In response to the above post, I think a lot of the problem with IOS/iphone is that people's perceptions of how good it actually is are far off base. When people start arguing that having only one hardware button is better... You start to see the point.
 
When me and the wife upgraded from our Heroes, she got a Galaxy S and I got an Omnia 7.

Her phone works perfectly fine without any changes, she uses launcher as she prefers it over Samsungs silly launcher. But other than that it's stock and it runs perfect.

I do like my Omnia but I do miss many things from Android.
 
My HTC Desire has been fine with the stock rom silky smooth with the sense UI on and even better when using launcher pro. I havnt felt the need to root it or change roms yet, although when some stable gingerbread roms come out that may change, or i may even root it for set cpu.

I think andriod has started gaining a lot more hype recently in the real world as a good alternative to an iphone, in this section of the forum though its always hyped :)
 
arigold said:
I'm really disappointing with the browser (samsung galaxy s 2.2), prefer safari on my 3GS
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There's tons of great browsers around for Android, xScope is still my fav and firefox/opera mobile, once out of beta, are similar to safari. Don't forget to set flash plugin to 'on demand' for the best performance.

+ The Motorola Atrix is ruining firefox 3.6... the desktop version :eek:

Good times!
 
arigold said:
I'm really disappointing with the browser (samsung galaxy s 2.2), prefer safari on my 3GS
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See the browser on the Iphone 4(same as 3gs) was the most dissapointing aspect of the phone for me, always got chequer board effect when moving about fast, very very poor browser imo and Android is way ahead on that aspect.

Have you tried disabling flash on your Galaxy S ? or tried putting it on deman as you have to remember the IOS doesn't support such features as this so full flash on the go will slow it down, I always put it on demand on mine.
 
AcidHell2 said:
Yep over hyped.
customisation is rubbish, how many people actually want to install new roms just to make a phone work. How many people actually want to customise a phone. A tiny portion. Most people idea of customisation is installing a weather app or something.

Apps are extremely buggy as they have no tests or restrictions.
he phones are buggy and clogged up, They should not allow custom roms and they should limit hardware comparability.

So so many downsides and the only up side is you can get cheap phones unlike Apple/W7P

However saying that it's pretty good, it does what you want, once you've faffed about and installed a custom rom.
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Well, I can only say you're one misinformed person.

Everyone wants to customise a phone, but the very definition that not everyone's phone, even iPhones, are a clone of each other. Unless you're telling me all iPhone/Android/BlackBerry users have the exact same applications, wall papers etc installed?

Applications, I've rarely had issues with applications being buggy. I've had the Facebook 1.4 application force close on me when trying to navigate to a photo's comments from the notification window. That was fixed in the next update.

That's the only force close I've had, the O2 application on the iPhone used to suddenly quit out of no where on me without any error message. Add to that stock Androids text messaging bug and the iPhone's alarm bug, then you'll see that not every platform is 100% stable. More like 99.99%

If you're going to play the "application screening" tune, then why are there applications on iOS that have been found to send private data that they shouldn't be to a server somewhere? Android applications are guilty of this too, but surely if Apple are screening applications, they should be protecting user's data by seeing what sensitive data these applications are phoning home with.

How about these for upsides? Free cloud syncing, latest Google services (Google Maps on Android walks all over the Google powered Maps application on the iPhone), WiFi hotspot, faster web browsing due to V8 java script engine.

They also don't allow the installation of custom ROMs, the handset manufacturers lock their boot loaders so people can't gain root access but just like every bit of software that's man made, there's ways around it. Apple don't want people Jailbreaking their handsets, but people still do. Root access on Android is absolutely no different to this.

Your post is either a complete attempt at deceiving people, or you're very misinformed.
 
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In Wall Street Journal recently gathered data to show that for the first time that the Android userbase exceeded the iPhone userbase and while iPhone uptake rose 60 odd % the past year Android uptake rose 1000%.

This is in addition to the other recent survey showing that Android phones have outsold iPhones in the States too. Blackberry is still number 1 but their userbase and sales have been dropping too.

The full info is at the source: http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2011/01/05/androids-users-eclipse-iphones-for-first-time-comscore-says

As one of the comments have said on digg, I see a very big future in Android over the next decade, it's invading everything from cars to phones to mobile computing and there's no sign of stopping it.
 
Mekrel said:
Everyone wants to customise a phone, but the very definition that not everyone's phone, even iPhones, are a clone of each other. Unless you're telling me all iPhone/Android/BlackBerry users have the exact same applications, wall papers etc installed?
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Yes through apps, not fiddling with roms or other android only customisation. most peopel do not want to get down to the nity and gritty. This is something.

Mekrel said:
Applications, I've rarely had issues with applications being buggy. I've had the Facebook 1.4 application force close on me when trying to navigate to a photo's comments from the notification window. That was fixed in the next update.
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On android I've had many many apps that have crashed, don;t work etc.
Yes the o2 app was dodgy on iphone, but it's only a couple.


Mekrel said:
If you're going to play the "application screening" tune, then why are there applications on iOS that have been found to send private data that they shouldn't be to a server somewhere? Android applications are guilty of this too, but surely if Apple are screening applications, they should be protecting user's data by seeing what sensitive data these applications are phoning home with.
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because it's only a basic screening and doesn't pick everything out, darn site better than no screening though

Mekrel said:
How about these for upsides? Free cloud syncing, latest Google services (Google Maps on Android walks all over the Google powered Maps application on the iPhone), WiFi hotspot, faster web browsing due to V8 java script engine.
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Really those are up points, loads of free services on iphone which are great and do all that.

Mekrel said:
They also don't allow the installation of custom ROMs, the handset manufacturers lock their boot loaders so people can't gain root access but just like every bit of software that's man made, there's ways around it. Apple don't want people Jailbreaking their handsets, but people still do. Root access on Android is absolutely no different to this.
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Unfortunately to make phones work you have to do this, because android is not standard and filled with company rubbish. That's the point, iphone sis one OS, not an os that then phone companies butcher, they can;t program and never have been able to.

Mekrel said:
Your post is either a complete attempt at deceiving people, or you're very misinformed.
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Or you just can't see the issue.
 
You don't have to fiddle with ROMs to get a customised Android phone, there's a LOT you can do to tailor your smartphone experience on Android without even rooting, way more than you can on iPhone even after jailbreaking.

It all comes down to what users are willing to research and find out about. Most people just see loads of people talking about ROMs and automatically assume you have to root and flash stuff to get something decent out of the handset - This is not the case.

Find Motoblur slow? Install LauncherPro or ADW EX, both have a wealth of options and are lightning fast. Don't like the HTC mesaging app because it loads long SMS threads slowly or lags? Install Go SMS or Handcent, they're lightning fast and have a wealth of options and features to play with.

There are limits of course but there's still loads you can do just by doing some research and seeing what's out there by browsing the Forums and websites dedicated to this kind of thing.
 
I agree that Android seems to be overhyped, especially on here, I don't think it's quite there yet, I still prefer iOs as it actually feels like a finished product unlike Android...
 
MikeHunt79 said:
I agree that Android seems to be overhyped, especially on here, I don't think it's quite there yet, I still prefer iOs as it actually feels like a finished product unlike Android...
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You have to remember as well that iOS has been around longer than Android, Android only really took a foothold over the past 18months.

Think back to the first iPhone days, you guys didn't even have copy and paste and were having signal issues all over the place and you still don't have wifi tethering!


Thems were the days that "changed everything, again" :p
 
Khaaan! said:
You don't have to fiddle with ROMs to get a customised Android phone, there's a LOT you can do to tailor your smartphone experience on Android without even rooting, way more than you can on iPhone even after jailbreaking.
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No, you need to install custom rom to make some phones work, because of phone company branding and in ability to program.

exactly and apps you can do on Apple, so the whole it's more customisable, is only useful for a few people on forums like this.

Khaaan! said:
You have to remember as well that iOS has been around longer than Android, Android only really took a foothold over the past 18months.
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Apple where first, android should have included stuff like that. I still don;t have proper copy and paste on android. All because it's a stupid customisable os and so you don;t get instant updates from android themself.
 
On customization - i'd say about the same proportion of people would want to install a new ROM as would Jailbreak and iPhone, which judging by my experience is quite a few.
 
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