'Anti' Isalm cartoons....

Stiff_Cookie said:
Its only holy to you! I dont care about him. Why should I be stopped from drawing whatever I want about whoever I want just because you CHOOSE to warship him.

Exactly!! Islam probably means nothing to an Australian Aborigine and so he can draw what he damn well pleases. Typical religion of the moment thinks the whole world must bow to their holy rules. :mad:
 
Mundu said:
I think incitment to murder was one of them and they were talking about it on GMTV or that could have just been the placards. They had some muslim representatives on talking about it today.
Von Smallhausen was specifically talking about the pillock in the BBCi article who has apologised for wearing a fake suicide vest. Not some of the banner wavers.

Excellant article by John Simpson, BBCi, well worth a read.
 
Sleepy said:
Von Smallhausen was specifically talking about the pillock in the BBCi article who has apologised for wearing a fake suicide vest. Not some of the banner wavers.

It was him they were talking about IIRC. Could be wrong though I was very tired.
 
Religon is up there will Santa Claus and tooth fairies in my eyes. Until I see a big man floating on a cloud saying 'I am the man' , i will just wait for the proof and get on with my life, shame those who believe in it feel they have to interupt mine.
 
rayer said:
Religon is up there will Santa Claus and tooth fairies in my eyes. Until I see a big man floating on a cloud saying 'I am the man' , i will just wait for the proof and get on with my life, shame those who believe in it feel they have to interupt mine.

thats pretty much the way I see it

And the way these protesters are reacting is bloody rediculus. Some of the things they have written on those signs are way over board. Shouldnt be able to get away with such bull crap.
 
Just makes me wonder how the hell asian parents raise their children with such poor values nowadays? Asians/indians etc take such pride in raising their kids the right way and for the past 10yrs I've noticed a massive slippage in that area when I look at my fellow asians - it scares the hell out of me.

That prat with the jacket at the demo will just get brushed aside by our cozzers, it's always like this. I was just totally sickened by his chain of thoughts that could have brought him to wear such a pathetic outfit. "Death to all those who shame islam?", the protesters are doing just that.
 
asim said:
I can say everytime I see something about Islam in the media I get more and more tired of trying to defend myself and Islam. Its to the point that I'd rather not even state my opinion anymore as it doesnt make a difference.

The best way to of handled this situation would have been to do it peacefully and in a way that society would not look down upon Islam but instead learn to understand. For instance a few meetings where people would sit down and discuss the situation rather than go into the streets an feel the need to create violence.

These kind of events make the REAL muslims of the western community feel like social outcasts. Yes the cartoons are not accepted in Islam but that doesnt mean there needs to be an all out war every time someone is offended.

Asim
Very, VERY good post.

And, the final bit is exactly the message that should have gone out from the moderate majority .... which is "Hey, that's really offensive. Please don't do that." Then, I rather suspect, there'd have been considerable sympathy for exactly that viewpoint from the rest of the population.

However, when we not only see crowds screaming, shouting and flag-burning abroad, but nuts with guns hunting Westerners in Gaza and embassies being firebombed, not to mention calls for beheadings from demonstrators on streets in THIS country (where the cartoons weren't even published), the message that goes out and, whether fairly or unfairly, is the extreme one and it gets gets labelled as the Islamic one.

It's precisely why the moderate, silent majority need to not remain silent. And to be fair, over the last few days, I've certainly seen the placard-waving imbeciles condemned, roundly and unreservedly, again and again, by one Muslim spokesperson (from the MCB to the man/woman in the street) after another. Maybe, just maybe, it is that unequivocal condemnation from his own community that got the suicide-bomber lookalike to come forward and apologise.

The German people kept quiet in the '30s and we ended up with the third Reich. The majority of union members kept quiet in unions in this country in the 60s and 70s, and we ended up with a left-wing radical union leadership that was more interested in following their own political and social agenda than looking after the interests of their own members .... and nearly wrecked the economy of this country in the process. In both cases, if the silent majority hadn't been so silent, we might have had a good deal less unpleasantness.

Asim, I say to you what I said to Spawn .... nobody has a right to expect you to try to explain or apologise for the more extreme elements from your community, but that doesn't mean that as part of the silent moderate majority, speaking out loud and clear wouldn't be the right thing to do.
 
When moderate representatives disagree with the methods as an opening comment, then spend the rest of the conversation sympathising with the motives of terrorists and defending the same political views that the terrorists hold
 
Sequoia said:
Asim, I say to you what I said to Spawn .... nobody has a right to expect you to try to explain or apologise for the more extreme elements from your community, but that doesn't mean that as part of the silent moderate majority, speaking out loud and clear wouldn't be the right thing to do.

As time goes on the world evolves and I think its about time that extremists see that fighting is not the answer. Its as if they are fighting change. Nowadays talking is the answer. Thats what is going to get someones voice heard in a way that they will be respected and listened to rather than pushed back in pure disgust. This thread and many others shows the pure disgust people see towards those that have taken violent action. And so they should be disgusted.

If we dont find a way to help people evolve then fighting will never end. They need to be taught the right and wrong way to make a point.

At first it was, funny cartoons but offensive. Which had people sympathising slightly but the actions of the some has turned that sympathy into disgust.

A situation that has gotten completely out of hand.
 
CoupeMad said:
Here in Dundee theres a lot of them.

Want a medal for putting up with them, do you?

CoupeMad said:
I wonder what would happen if I went down to the mosk with a Mohemmed T shirt?

Would they laugh with me and everyone would be all smiles as they realise how STUPID it all is?

OR

Would they start hopping about and uttering death threats?

I'd love to think the former, but I Just cannot see it.

First, not sure how you'd find the mosque in the A-Z in the first place, but assuming you did, I doubt they'd be too amused. Would you expect Christians to laugh along with the infamous "Jesus is a ****" t-shirt? Come to that, how tolerant are supporters of one football team of fans of another?

CoupeMad said:
Even Iran said it wanted to produce weapons grade material to act as a deterrant.

Do you blame them? Their nearest neighbour is being torn to shreds by the US and it's allies. I'm not advocating their suspected weapons program, but I can understand where they're coming from.

CoupeMad said:
Jeesus, now I KNOW there all nutters.

And just what leads you to that conclusion?

CoupeMad said:
My theory is thats its the heat that makes them all mental.......

Just look at the violence in all the hot countries and tell me that theres no connection !!
(apart from Austraila)

Of course, because Australia is full of whites, right? And whites just don't commit any crimes at all!

Get over it. There's plenty of hot countries that get by with minimal trouble. Conversely, cold and wet England isn't exactly the calmest place in the world.

Besides, if it had anything to do with heat, wouldn't they all chill out (har har) once they got here? Or perhaps your argument is just full of poop and I'm wasting my time even thinking about it.
 
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