Anti War demo's this Saturday

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i think so.. im not sure.. in their infinite stupidity its hard to distinguish between anti-war protestors these days.. they all look and sound the same! :o
 
My x-x-girlfriend was iraqi (on her dads side) and when i spoke to her two weeks ago she thought that liberating the country was a good plan. She believed they have the natural resources to make a very rich country under the right goverment. And i cant argue with her TBH.
But go on protesters keep going on about somewhere you've never been and probably will never ever will go. While my mates are out there risking their lives, trying to liberate the place. You go sit down and make my thursday night shopping a bloody hassle.:mad:
 
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Laxative man hasn't figured out powerpoint yet :p
 
Originally posted by r1cko
lol yeah..

that bloke had no argument and talked crap like the young girl vs iraqi man..

the epitome of the anti-war campaign.

If you're talking abou that US radio broadcast - that is a proven a set-up (and a pretty obvious one IMO).

Just another example of the pro-war propaganda coming from the American media.

While I'm here - here are some things I would like answers to from the pro-war lobby:

How will Iraq be governed post war?

Will it go the way of Afgahnistahn (local war lords running a medieval style feudal system alongside the Opium growers and the puppet-president nearly being assasinated every fortnight or so)?

How will we deal with the inevitable increase in terrorism due to this invasion?

How can we morally justify taking weapons away from a country when we have so many ourselves? This is especially hypocritical seeing as we sold those weapons to this ruler ourselves.

What moral right do we have to usurp another country's ruler - whatever we think of them?

If a country is being ruled unjustly is it not the responsibility of exiles as well as opposition within the country in question to throw out their own despots? Sure they may need help from outside - but surely the impetous should come from the oppressed population?

Should we weaken the position of the UN and anger powerful neigbours like China) by going against the wishes of the international community?

The Muslim and Arab world at large don't agree with this conflict? How can we ever make this up to such a large and important sector of the world's population?

There are far more dangerous and far more oppressive reigimes in the world than Iraq's (many of them, like East Timor, supported by the US government) - would this war be being fought if the economy of the USA didn't need an influx of cheap oil?

The Iraqi people are split regarding Saddam Hussein - he has massive support in some places (From the Sunni's) and huge opposition in others (the Kurds and Shia's). Should we not just sit back and take the asylum seekers while he and his supporters stay there and rot?

The Kurds are currently protected in the UN controlled area of Northern Iraq. This doesn't stop them being persecuted by the Turks (who hate Kurds) who have an Illegal army stationed in the area. UN protected areas offer very little real protection. Iraq will be in chaos as the main remaining factions battle for power once the armies disperse. This period will make Saddam's oppression look like mother's love to the civilian population and will probably devistate Iraq's precious resourses and historical treasures.
How can this post-war chaos be resolved in a satisfactory manner?

A pre-emptive strike of this nature is un-precidented in history. What justifies this one? Bear in mind we are not under immediate threat and there is no good evidence that we ever will be (Saddam could be hit by a bus or an assasin's bullet at any time and no WOMD that have long-range capability have been found in Iraq).

Good evening to you all, and good luck - we're going to need it in the next 20 years or so as we have just become prime targets for international terrorist attacks.
 
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Codmate,

It wont (IMO) go the way of Afghanistan tho, as Iraq doesn't have local warlords all over the place.

How can we morally justify taking weapons away from a country when we have so many ourselves? This is especially hypocritical seeing as we sold those weapons to this ruler ourselves

Can justify it becuase Saddam has used them in the past.

Also, speak the French Russians and German's re: the Purchase of them, as has already been sorted in this thread.


What moral right do we have to usurp another country's ruler - whatever we think of them?

What right do we have to ignore the mindless killing of Iraqi's by Saddam for any longer. You could ask Saddam, but he would pull out your tongue and leave you on the street to die, then feed you into a grinder.


If a country is being ruled unjustly is it not the responsibility of exiles as well as opposition within the country in question to throw out their own despots? Sure they may need help from outside - but surely the impetous should come from the oppressed population?

The exiles, many of them living here, support this war. The Iraqi opposition were thrown out of Iraq. Choices = leave or die.

Saddam had dome of his own children murdered for leaving.



I dont have time to answer all the rest i'm afraid, as i have work to do, but i'm sure someone will!!

Mal:)

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at any time and no WOMD that have long-range capability have been found in Iraq)

What about the Scud missiles they are firing at Kuwait as i type this? These are the same missiles that the UN has banned, as they have a longer range than allowed.

Quite a few of the answers to your questions lie in this thread mate!
 
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what ever goverment replaces his, its got to be better!
Very good points there otherwise.
but also a little to educated for me
(will go back to finishing my PHD on nvCJD ;) )
Err might listen to one of my fave tunes....
Outkast & RATM :D
 
Originally posted by regimentaldj
what ever goverment replaces his, its got to be better!
Very good points there otherwise.
but also a little to educated for me
(will go back to finishing my PHD on nvCJD ;) )
Err might listen to one of my fave tunes....
Outkast & RATM :D

Put the Iron Warriors in charge! With me as their leader of my Daemon world, I shall turn all people into large subwoofers and play Outkast on full base.

What more could you ask for?
 
Originally posted by Over Clocker
One thing confuses me. France don't back us.

Reports of Ricin found at Paris railway station?

I don't know who put it there, if it's there, but remember France has suffered terrorist attacks for years including from Algerian terrorists.
 
Originally posted by dirtydog
I don't know who put it there, if it's there, but remember France has suffered terrorist attacks for years including from Algerian terrorists.

True.

Getting back to the thread title though, did anyone see the itv news just now (21.40) re: protestoers??
 
Originally posted by Over Clocker
True.

Getting back to the thread title though, did anyone see the itv news just now (21.40) re: protestoers??
They're just people looking for excuses to bunk off work / school. Their protests wont do chuff all, the wars started and thats that.
Sitting in the road and railway tracks isnt going to do anything (I'd be inclined to run them over) stopping people who have no oppinion or are for the war doing an honest days work.

Note: havn't read previous pages of the topic, just airing my view.
 
these protesters havent got a clue and to tell you the truth they really **** me off.

you never see or here them complaining about when saddam commits atrocities but when we go in to take him out there all up in arms!

grrrrrrrrrrr
 
Originally posted by dirtydog
They did for two years. If the Japanese had never attacked, we may never have had their help.

And yes the US's record as posted above is totally shameful.

well yer pearl harbour was helpful but lets face it the federal gov was trying to come and help us the whole time, they supplied us with any bit of stuff they could find, it was only a matter of time, pearl harbour was just an excuse.
rem hitler was on world domination pills, ww2 was us's problem. I know our arguements act come to the same point but saying they only did it coz they were forced by japs is a bit out.

we cant really berrate american history on foriegn policy, in democracy's its the current gove that u have to look at. If we were goin down that route we could start on ab out every country in the world. frankly bitain was one of the worst, we were brutal imperalists.

sont u thgink when a ppl are so oppressed that they are not even afforded the right to create an opposition to their own government that is upto the free world to step in and help. They cannot help themselves. I am willing to bet that a lot of iraqi's as with a lot of nations in the past would be willing to die to ensure that future generations have the right to self determination, within government and themselves.

my 2p...
 
Originally posted by Thrawn_CW
the US goverment wanted to join ww2 ealier but the US people didn't (something about it's not there problem.....sounds familer...) and as jaffa said it was just an excuse

also how can we let a man who had his own son kill 2 of his other sons just because they didn't aggree with his views?

Sons in law, I think, wasn't it? Anyway nobody said Saddam is a nice fun loving regular bloke..
 
Originally posted by dirtydog
Sons in law, I think, wasn't it? Anyway nobody said Saddam is a nice fun loving regular bloke..

yeah i kinda cocked up my post a little bit there (should have been in bed ages ago) i was supposed to say

"also how can we let a man stay in power (got ahead of my self) who had his own son kill 2 of his sons in laws just because they didn't aggree with his views?"

right i am now going to bed!
 
Right, my g/f who is much better informed than I, and has just got back from protesting is here to answer any questions you pro war types might have. You have a Stop the War coordinator available.

Ask on.

S
 
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