Soldato
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I am all against the war. However dont blame bush. Its Dick Chaney and his counterparts (the folk who really run the country) that are all for it.
Anti War demo's this Saturday
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Soldato
Nicely unbiased article...or not (it does have its own agenda thats for sure).
Proof that we bombed water treatment plants other than this articles hearsay? If it happened the iraqis would be keen to show it I would imagine, so press photographs....?
'Snow plows' on tanks, these would be the same ploughs used to dig berms and clear away defences. 'Burying troops alive' - I recall you mentioning it before. How many wars since tanks were invented involved an armour 'rush' onto dug in infantry positions? Where in the geneva convention does it forbid this? How many Iraqi troops surrendered and were given food and water during the Gulf War - and why did the troops in this incident not surrender? If they didn't try to surrender, and stayed in their trenches to fight, is killing enemy soldiers in battle wrong? I remember last time this issue was brought up nobody could explain either.
The picture mentioned in the article, about the Iraqi soldier killed on the Basra road at Mutla Ridge, yes its a horrific photograph, but the discussion over in SC mentions how this one victim is the only one repeatedly cited as evidence of the massacre...curious that, given the 'tens of thousands' apparently killed there.
No genocide in Kosovo? Oh dear, whats the author been smoking - please tell the fact that there was 'no genocide in Kosovo' to the young boy my mom helped teach in late 1999 who's dad had been killed by serbian soldiers and moved here with his mother. He also still has scars from the grenade some ******* threw at him when he ran out of his house.
Agreed there mate
While on the subject of Kosovo I will repeat what I asked earlier.
Can someone confirm that Kosovo was a NATO action and also didn't have a U.N. mandate, because that is what I remember?
Old Slobby Malowotsit
eek: ) was an amateur compared to Saddam, but I see many people who didn't have a problem with intervention there go into fits of apoplexy over our involvement against Saddam.I am uncomfortable with some decisions but could someone enlighten me as to why one was okay and this one isn't?
Soldato
Originally posted by MacX
While on the subject of Kosovo I will repeat what I asked earlier.
Can someone confirm that Kosovo was a NATO action and also didn't have a U.N. mandate, because that is what I remember?
Old Slobby Malowotsit
I am uncomfortable with some decisions but could someone enlighten me as to why one was okay and this one isn't?
IIRC it was unilateral NATO action and nothing to do with the UN.....some will say otherwise (I have been told by some the 'truth' that it was the UN really who sorted it and the US didn't want to get involved, despite the UN never passing any resolutions over it and the US then giving the biggest military support to the action of all NATO countries despite apparently not caring).
I'm so sick of hearing about all the anti war rubbish, the war is happening so just live with it, nothing any of you do will change that. I think that going to war is right personally. Lol at the people who think Bush is dangerous, lmao what's Hussein then? An innocent puppydog? While someone like him is in power they'll be absolutely no chance of world peace never mind Bush.
Man of Honour
Just been watching the live UN Security Council debate.
To me it looks like supoport for france has dropped throught the floor.
To me it looks like supoport for france has dropped throught the floor.
Man of Honour
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Ah thank you very much Will.. My memory is not fading too badly then.
Still wonder why that didn't cause a problem for some while this new situation seems to. Anybody here who supported the NATO action in Kosovo but baulks at this new action care to enlighten me? If they exist. I'm sure they do because I certainly don't remember this amount of protesting in the U.K. back then.
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Man of Honour
Anyone who thinks this is all about oil and money has not done enough research into it all imho.
Originally posted by BuckEye
Hopefully plenty of you will be there
You'll do coz you're about old enough I think.
Can you answer my question about any protests over our participation in Kosovo when compared to this new one which I mention a couple of times a few posts up (and up)?
Basically why protest against this action when there wasn't as much protest (IIRC) against the NATO action in Kosovo which also didn't have a U.N. mandate?
I am still a bit puzzled. Maybe there ARE some fundemental differences that I am missing. No oil in Kosovo either but the U.S. was still there in force.
Man of Honour
Originally posted by BuckEye
Hopefully plenty of you will be there
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Not being rude mate, but i dont think many people from here, or the other place will be there.
Also, as pointed out on the news by reporters asking random protesters a few basic questions, i fear that a lot of them are just jumping on the band wagon.
At least you, BuckEye, beleive what you are saying, which i respect.
I'm convinced that there will still be quite a large presence on Saturday, going on the incidents in Birmingham city centre today.
I was late for work because a large crowd of people were stopping the buses down Corporation St, and Centenary Square was rammed to the gills with people. There was a large number of police in riot vans and arrests were made. There was quite a bit of fighting from what I hear. There was serious concern amongst many people that something was going to kick off big time.
As I walked into work, I thought finally it's happened. Civil disobedience on a large scale. Lets hope the war is not still being fought when the MayDay March in London takes place.
I was late for work because a large crowd of people were stopping the buses down Corporation St, and Centenary Square was rammed to the gills with people. There was a large number of police in riot vans and arrests were made. There was quite a bit of fighting from what I hear. There was serious concern amongst many people that something was going to kick off big time.
As I walked into work, I thought finally it's happened. Civil disobedience on a large scale. Lets hope the war is not still being fought when the MayDay March in London takes place.
We were involved! Or does the millions in supplies and equipemt not count?
I like the question that Iraqi asked that girl on the radio
'How will leaving Saddam in power ensure justice and peace in teh region?' or something along those lines
He also said and seemed to be ok with the fact that civilians will die in the upcoming war but it is most certain that more will die if the war is not fought.
'How will leaving Saddam in power ensure justice and peace in teh region?' or something along those lines
He also said and seemed to be ok with the fact that civilians will die in the upcoming war but it is most certain that more will die if the war is not fought.
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I'm not particularly for this war and I am not particularly thrilled with the government, but I do support the troops. Those troops are the ones that ensure my freedom of speech to complain and protest as much or as little as one would like about the war or anything else. Because of them I can gather, petition the governement, and protest my little heart out if I darn well please. So for all of you complaining about the protesters - go on and complain - because you can, and the protesters are lucky they can protest, because in many places in the world - you just can't do so.
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Someone from our office just called from jail wanting to be bailed out after getting arrested at a protest. Bail is only $50 so I expect them to be out soon!
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