Anti War demo's this Saturday

dirtydog · 20 Mar 2003 at 13:50

Originally posted by JodieG
All amounts to the same thing really. You either support them or you don't. Think it's clear which camp the protestors fall into...

I just want to say that although I am anti-war, I don't agree with the protestors who are causing civil disobedience and disrupting people going about their daily lives here, blocking roads etc. They will only serve to harden public opinion against them, and increase support for the war.

I hope there are as few deaths and injuries as possible on both sides, but I can't actively support the fact that our troops are invading another country illegally I'm afraid.

JodieO · 20 Mar 2003 at 13:51

Originally posted by MAD_BANDIT
not at all, just because we don't agree with Balir and Bush, doesn't mean that we can't hope our soldiers come back ok. we may not agree with what they are doing, but this is a democracy, which measn that we are entitles to an opion, and the army do whatever the government tells them, regardless of their personal position on this issue.

to disagree is not to be unpatriotic...otherwise why do we keep voting in different parties to govern our country-because we agree with them and don;t agree with the others.....but if a tory government is voted out of office, does that mean that those popel that voted them out are unpatriotic?!

That is a totally different situation, voting and a war. I disagree with you, they are showing a lack of support for the troops because they are against the war, you can't support the troops and be against the war it doesn't make sense. That's my opnion anyway, it seems very fake to say on one hand you support the troops and on the other you're against the war.

MindYerBeak · 20 Mar 2003 at 13:51

Originally posted by Stand_By_Me_Girl
(forgive me for being young n stupid)
I thought the protester people had a problem with the government and not the troops?

Have you ever served in the armed forces? Can you imagine what it must be like for a soldier on the front line who faces death at any given moment, to hear that people are protesting about the war back home? He doesn't see it as an attack on the government, but as an attack on himself and comrades. His morale is lowered, his effectiveness suffers, he endangers the life of himself and comrades. As I said feelings are running high, we don't want to hear treacherous talk. Some members of this forum even have families and friends serving in the Gulf at this very moment, awaiting the impending conflict, myself included. Schoolchildren lying on the ground with smug smiles on their faces have no clue about the reality of the situation, including most of the adult protestors.

JodieO · 20 Mar 2003 at 13:53

Originally posted by dirtydog
I just want to say that although I am anti-war, I don't agree with the protestors who are causing civil disobedience and disrupting people going about their daily lives here, blocking roads etc. They will only serve to harden public opinion against them, and increase support for the war.

I hope there are as few deaths and injuries as possible on both sides, but I can't actively support the fact that our troops are invading another country illegally I'm afraid.

It isn't illegal because Iraq failed to comply with the first resolution 1441.

Jonners · 20 Mar 2003 at 13:53

just over 50% of UK want war to commence but what about the other half

MacX · 20 Mar 2003 at 13:55

Originally posted by Stand_By_Me_Girl
Sorry... I thought even a child could see that the blokes in the camoflauge outfits wern't the ones stood next to george bush?

You'd think so wouldn't you?

Human nature isn't like that though, else why were many U.S. Vietnam Vets treated like muck when they came home by people who protested against the U.S. involvment there?

I hope the same doesn't happen here.

JodieO · 20 Mar 2003 at 13:56

Originally posted by Tupac_
just over 50% of UK want war to commence but what about the other half

I would imagine that it's higher than that, that's just a number picked out of the air. Without a referendum we'll never know the true figures and even then a lot of people wouldn't vote.

Bungee · 20 Mar 2003 at 13:57

Originally posted by Tupac_
just over 50% of UK want war to commence but what about the other half

What about them?

When just over 50% of people agree on something, the other 40+% are obviously disagreeing. Your point being?

bandit · 20 Mar 2003 at 13:57

Originally posted by JodieG
That is a totally different situation, voting and a war. I disagree with you, they are showing a lack of support for the troops because they are against the war, you can't support the troops and be against the war it doesn't make sense. That's my opnion anyway, it seems very fake to say on one hand you support the troops and on the other you're against the war.

hmm, you seemed to have lost my point.

what i am trying to say is that the troops have a job to do. wheter they want to or not, they are now there. they may even disagree with what they have to do, but they will still do it.
i think that there has been a rush to war which has taken place, ignoring any prrogress made on disarmamnet.

however, now that they have a job to do, i hope they do it well and come back fine. that does not mean that i cannot disagree with the government i electeds into power. the politicans are not the ones on the front line, those that are have my full support, those that forced then to fight for a reason i think i wrong, well they are the people i have a problem with.

tony balir does not deserve my loyalty and support, the troops not only deserve my loyalty and support, they have it!

Jonners · 20 Mar 2003 at 13:58

tony blair see's saddam as a threat..but he hasn't looked at himself in the mirror and realised he is one...he needs throwing out and to get someone that'll listen to our every need..but blair is the 2nd saddam..aslong as he is in power no one can shift him

dirtydog · 20 Mar 2003 at 13:59

Originally posted by JodieG
It isn't illegal because Iraq failed to comply with the first resolution 1441.

Sorry that's not correct.

JodieO · 20 Mar 2003 at 14:00

Originally posted by MAD_BANDIT
hmm, you seemed to have lost my point.

what i am trying to say is that the troops have a job to do. wheter they want to or not, they are now there. they may even disagree with what they have to do, but they will still do it.
i think that there has been a rush to war which has taken place, ignoring any prrogress made on disarmamnet.

however, now that they have a job to do, i hope they do it well and come back fine. that does not mean that i cannot disagree with the government i electeds into power. the politicans are not the ones on the front line, those that are have my full support, those that forced then to fight for a reason i think i wrong, well they are the people i have a problem with.

tony balir does not deserve my loyalty and support, the troops not only deserve my loyalty and support, they have it!

I wonder if the troops realise that though? All they'll see is people protesting, they won't realise whether it's against the government or them. I imagine people sign up for the army because they want to protect the country and fight for their country, I doubt many troops disagree with the war, but that's my opinion.

JodieO · 20 Mar 2003 at 14:01

Originally posted by dirtydog
Sorry that's not correct.

It is.

bandit · 20 Mar 2003 at 14:02

Originally posted by JodieG
It isn't illegal because Iraq failed to comply with the first resolution 1441.

right!

that's why they tried so hard for another resolution, and why they said it was neccessry, that's why robin cook resigned and why Kofi annan said this war was legaly dubious.

you can say that the action in kosovo was without a UN resolution as an example, but the differences between them are vast, check the other threads!

what about the resolution agreed 30 years ago calling on Israel to withdraw from the westbank, are we invading them becasue they failed to comply?!

JodieO · 20 Mar 2003 at 14:02

Originally posted by Tupac_
tony blair see's saddam as a threat..but he hasn't looked at himself in the mirror and realised he is one...he needs throwing out and to get someone that'll listen to our every need..but blair is the 2nd saddam..aslong as he is in power no one can shift him

Lmao, I think he is listening to us, maybe not to you and some moaning protestors though.

JodieO · 20 Mar 2003 at 14:03

Originally posted by MAD_BANDIT
right!
that's why they tried so hard for another resolution, and why they said it was neccessry, that's why robin cook resigned and why Kofi annan said this war was legaly dubious.

you can say that the action in kosovo was without a UN resolution as an example, but the differences between them are vast, check the other threads!

what about the resolution agreed 30 years ago calling on Israel to withdraw from the westbank, are we invading them becasue they failed to comply?!

It doesn't make it illegal, it is going ahead because it is legal, even our attorney general said the same thing.

MacX · 20 Mar 2003 at 14:03

Originally posted by JodieG
I wonder if the troops realise that though? All they'll see is people protesting, they won't realise whether it's against the government or them

And they are probably wondering what kind of reception they will get when the come home.

Not good for morale. The experience of returning Vietnam Vets shows how bad it COULD be...

Jonners · 20 Mar 2003 at 14:03

Originally posted by JodieG
Lmao, I think he is listening to us, maybe not to you and some moaning protestors though.

look right

saddam has ******* years to attack us if he wanted but did he??

no he ******* didnt
the way u act its like u dont value ur life
i rest my case yeh

IndyModeOCHW · 20 Mar 2003 at 14:03

Originally posted by JodieG
I wonder if the troops realise that though? All they'll see is people protesting, they won't realise whether it's against the government or them. I imagine people sign up for the army because they want to protect the country and fight for their country, I doubt many troops disagree with the war, but that's my opinion.

My cousin is in the middle east - he realized and has told me that he knows just because I don't agree with his boss doesn't mean I don't support him and his mates. And my cousin isn't the smartest cookie - so if he realizes that - surely the majority of our troops can

dirtydog · 20 Mar 2003 at 14:03

Originally posted by JodieG
I would imagine that it's higher than that, that's just a number picked out of the air. Without a referendum we'll never know the true figures and even then a lot of people wouldn't vote.

I would imagine the support for war is well over 50% in the country, and will rise once war proper gets underway.

But why is that?

I picked up a copy of yesterday's Sun paper today, and it is full of naked propaganda and lies.. it states for a fact that Bin Laden and Saddam are linked - offers no proof, just states it as an accepted fact, like saying Blair is the PM. Millions read that paper. I expect other pro-war papers have the same spin and lies.

If I thought Saddam and Bin Laden were linked, and without removing Saddam we would be attacked, I would support the war! But of course that isn't the case at all - it's just a lie concocted by Bush, repeated by Blair and the pro-war press, to make people support the war. They know most people are gullible and will believe what they are told by them, at face value, like sheep.